New Plastic Ball Good or Bad?

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James Lindberg
James Lindberg Asked 12 years ago

Hi Alois,

I am hoping that you have a lot of influence with your countries TT federation about the new ball change.

Have you had a chance to try out the preview POLY balls that are currently out to some? If so, what is your take on it?

As many should already know, the ITTF is mandating a new POLY ball to take the place of the current celluloid balls. The date this to be in place has been set for July, 2014.

There are already some "preview" poly balls out that some have had the chance to review. So far, no one seems to enjoy the ball as it has significantly less spin than the current celluloid ball, sounds cracked when you play with it, and the durability is suspect. The durability was supposed to be really increased.

I for one, do not want new balls. I want to keep the existing celluloid balls. My intent is to be able to distribute this petition to the ITTF, USATT, and all the other table tennis associations/federations to dismiss the new ball.

Of course, they still have a year or so to make improvements to the preview balls that are out now. But why wait and take the chance that there will be little to no improvements? We are trying to take a pro-active stance on this matter.

I'm aiming for 10K signatures on the online petition.

Will the ITTF listen to the PLAYERS if we can produce a minimum of 10K signatures to them?

Spread the word!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/keepexistingtabletennisballs/

Here is a link to my main post and where information is being added to:

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50730&title=just-say-no-to-the-new-poly-balls-sign-petition

Here is a link to one of the poly ball reviews:

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50534&title=new-poly-ball-review 


Jeff Plumb
Member Badge Jeff Plumb Answered 12 years ago

Hi James,

I haven't had a chance to trial the ball as yet so will reserve judgement.

It would be interesting to hear a discussion from our readers on the topic.


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Ji-Soo Woo

Ji-Soo Woo Posted 12 years ago

I was told this was just a trial and nothing was confirmed.   From what I've heard I don't like it either. Less spin and less durable.  Sounds like more money!


James Lindberg

James Lindberg Posted 12 years ago

This is not a trial. Thus action needs to be taken now.

 

Please see the ball review link posted above... it is very telling on the preview ball.


Julio Torres

Julio Torres Posted 12 years ago

Less spin? is the ITTF the reduce the coolest thing of this sport?


Debo :

Debo : Posted 12 years ago

Imparting, reading and dealing with SPIN is an art for those who play and love our game called Table Tennis.  I PERSONALLY STRONGLY PROTESTING AGAINST ANYTHING WITH LESS SPIN.  If ITTF changes to poly balls, the characteristics of the new balls must be very very similar to the current celluloid balls.  

But, who is going to listen to us.


Martin Elliget

Martin Elliget Posted 12 years ago

I also would not like to see the amount of spin in the game lessened through the introduction of a new ball. The surface of one new poly ball prototype was reported to be much smoother than the current celluloid ball, so that may be the reason that there's less spin, i.e. the rubber isn't able to grip the ball as well. I wonder if a very minute pattern or texture, similar to the celluloid ball, could be printed on the surface of the poly ball. This might help the spin issue and also help the flight of the ball, similar to the indentations on a golf ball.

I was a little mystified by why celluloid is being phased out (ITTF's current plan is that the new poly ball will be in use from 1st of July 2014). The reason is because celluloid is an extremely dangerous material to manufacture. It's highly flammable and, like asbestos, has super-fine particles which, if inhaled, can cause lung disease. A full explanation is given in the link below from Adham Sharara, ITTF President:

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?1883-Worldwide-ban-of-celluloid-quot-Proof-quot

 
Let's hope table tennis ball manufacturers are able to produce non-celluloid balls that have virtually the same characteristics.
 
Here are two Youtube videos on the subject that I found intereting.
 

William Henzell tries out new plastic balls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzo-PmL8IjA

 

Compared - New Prototype Ball vs 40mm vs 38mm Table Tennis Balls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv_XlZvpm0g

 

 


Alois Rosario

Member Badge Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 12 years ago

Thanks for that Martin.  I hope the manufacturers will get it right.  I think it will just be a matter of time.


Aasim Showkat

Aasim Showkat Posted 12 years ago

I think old is gold....just stick to the celloid balls.
I love burning them after they crash


eduardo espinosa

eduardo espinosa Posted 12 years ago

If the ITTF wants to invent a new game, do not call it Table Tennis. Or better yet. Why don't they change their own name to PBTF (Plastic Boring Tennis Federation)? If they think less spin will make the game more appealing for TV, all they will get is killing our love for the sport. My sympathy for them was already pretty low.


Neville Young

Member Badge Neville Young Posted 12 years ago

All the talk about Poly balls, exactly what sort of plastic is it and is it a monomer (made from oil) or biopolymer (made from renewable materials). It would seem sensible that the material should be renewable, otherwise we will be back where we started when the oil runs out.

Polystyrene

Polyester

Polyethylene

Polyvinyl chloride 

Polytetrafluoroethylene

Polyvinylidine Chloride

Polyethylene terephthalate

Plenty to choose from, anyone know which one the proposed balls will be made from.

Also it has been mentioned the new balls are smooth, which will effect contact, spin and flight through the air. Surely the technology exists where the surface contours of the celluloid ball can be replicated by the manufacturers so it more closely mimics the current ball. After all it is smooth because the mold used inthe process of manufacturing the ball is smooth. 

 


Jason Smith

Jason Smith Posted 12 years ago

Hey Martin hows things, not long till the vets tour starts up.

I propose during the transitional period (hopefully the new ball doesn't make it that far) where both balls are available for play we simply vote with our money and only play tournaments that use the current ball. That should force TTV and Table tennis Australia to put a word to t he ITTF that their meddling with such serious rule changes without consultation from players is not acceptable. In fact I'll go so far as to say the game would be better off if we insist on rolling back to a 38 or 39 mm  ball while we are here to repair the whole offensive and defensive imbalance we currently have, that's only going to get worse with a bigger slower ball.


amit k

amit k Posted 11 years ago

Sad :(...I wish the proposed rule is not enforced. The fun in TT is spin, reflexes and skill. I hope TT does not turn in to more of a power oriented game rather than skill based.

 


Shaofa Xu

Shaofa Xu Posted 11 years ago

Most of people know that plastic ball will be introduce at ITTF events as July 2014. test player check the ball, every one fells it so good. I choose some chapter from ITTF test report for everybady above.

Details: Player's subjective results from tryouts

The plastic ball seems to be more slowly. Also at full power it doesn't give the dynamic of a celluloid ball.

The rebound of the ball changed. The plastic ball has got a higher rebound from the table. This is comfortable for the player after the adaption on the behaviour during tryout.

The sound of the ball changed. Sounds like a defect ball at the beginning but players are able to adapt during one test session.

The feeling of the ball during the tryout is hard and constant. Control and feeling during the rally are very good.

Test players expect to get longer rallies. Because of the good feeling and control together with higher rebound it will be easier to avoid mistakes and due to the expected slower speed the time to react will increase.

With the plastic ball the spin production decreases. Especially after service and at topspin against push the plastic ball seems to have less spin. Due to the higher rebound from the table it is easier to receive.

Good behaviour at spin rallies due to the hardness of the ball.

The new plastic ball is good and it is easy to adapt to the sound and the higher rebound.

Maybe the defensive players will have an advantage from the overall behaviour.

Additional measurements for rebound on table


Jay Turberville

Jay Turberville Posted 11 years ago

The insurance premium on shipping (if any) cannot be all that large.  In the U.S. I can purchase two star balls for as little as $.25 US (bag of 72). Clearly any premium paid to ship a celluloid ball is well below 25 cents per ball.  After all, the retailer must turn a profit and the manufacturer has to make money.  And there are the real costs (sans premium) of shipping as well.  So how much could it be?  Maybe five cents per ball? Given that high quality three star balls typically cost between 80 cents and $2 each (depends on quantity purchased), any shipping insurance premium cannot be a significant portion of cost for high quality three star balls.

 


Aaqib Ahmed

Aaqib Ahmed Posted 11 years ago

Hi everyone! 
I have a best idea to protest against this ball.
ITTF official page is present on facebook.
if all of us unitely protest against it their than ittf will see it directly that it is not like by the players. and steps may be taken. :)
who's with me?

here's a link to that.

www.facebook.com/ITTFWorld


Cesar Ten

Cesar Ten Posted 11 years ago

This change will make robots obsolete items? Is there some robots that will support this change in the ball?


jan ancheta

jan ancheta Posted 11 years ago

dear alois,

is it true that they made this ball to beat china in table tennis?

 


Abhiram Reddy

Abhiram Reddy Posted 11 years ago

LOL.If beating the chinese was as easy changing the ball they wouldn't be no. 1 in the world.Even if they do change the ball its going to be an even change and considering how fast the chinese adapt compared to the rest of the world I wouldn't be surprised if the change in ball even gave them an edge(not that they require one).


ronald caldwell

ronald caldwell Posted 11 years ago

I recently purchase three Palio 3 star plastic non seam balls.  Overall the only difference between them and existing balls is the sound.  Serves, loops chops, etc all seem the same.  Took them to a club on Sat and everybody had the same reaction-didn't like the sound but otherwise no big deal.  


Igor PONGER

Igor PONGER Posted 11 years ago

18¥ =6pcs. 1 star | 44¥ =6pcs 3 Srar Totally favourable feedback from the domestic china users/buyers (pleasant ball feeling much similar to the celluloid,, longer rallies, better accuracy in the ball placement ).


D K

D K Posted 9 years ago

I played with the plastic ball for several minutes and then I threw it out of the window.

It appears that it is possible to give it a spin,much stronger spin than int the case of an old good celluloid ball,but the spin vanishes extremely quickly,even sooner than the ball its the table.

I think it because I tried to just chop the ball in the air and it spinned like hell,but the spin vanished after less than a half of one second.

I do not know if it is really true because I cannot see it well but it appeared like that.


Nigel Fewster

Nigel Fewster Posted 9 years ago

In the league I play in the UK home team had the option of plastic or normal. The league provided each team with Joola plastic balls they are probably the worst ball I have ever come across. I have seen a brand new ball out of the box shatter after 10 mins play, mostly they just crack but you do get the odd one that literally explodes crossing the net.

Having said the above this was at the start of 2014-2015 season and the later plastic balls DHS, Donic, Butterfly seem much better with a more consistent bounce and sound like the original 40 ball. The main draw back like everything in table tennis is the cost of these new balls which seem far more expensive than they should be.  


Jean Balthazar

Jean Balthazar Posted 9 years ago

Come on, consider what a small price this is to pay to save the planet! (dropping millions of tons of pesticides on our veggies and stuffing our meat with antibiotics, that's no biggy, but beware of those deadly toxic table tennis balls!!!)

And since when is it bad that a product for which there is no alternative on the market (or in the regulations) needs to be replaced as often as possible? That's textbook marketing.

Sorry, I'm still not over it...


peter rixon

peter rixon Posted 9 years ago

Am loving the fact that the new poly ball does'nt have as much spin as the old 40mm ball.

When we played with the old 38mm ball the guys with the skill could get slightly extra spin with wrist movements etc.

The serve was based on a bigger influence with deception and thought patterns and no advantage with the ball.

To improve you needed the sheer determination of solid training to advance even one point.The introduction of the 40mm ball was a complete injustice to hard training players as lesser opponents who i could once beat with one foot in a bucket and a frying pan were now giving causing me so much trouble.

You had to have lots of different skills with a less spinny ball and the long rallies with guys playing away from the table more was fantastic and lots of fun.

Fantastic to have a less spinny ball back and you newer guys will soon get to love the longer rallies,so better get fitter now.


John Wooten

John Wooten Posted 8 years ago

    Now that the plastic balls have improved and we have some valid choices, our club has settled on the Xushaofa ball.  We have found them at a reasonable bulk price and they are mostly consistent and durable.  What we are especially interested in is a yellow colored version of a plastic ball that is consistently round and durable.  The walls in our club are light in color and the yellow ball would contrast better.  Has there been any news on a yellow version of the plastic ball?


Mike Deubig

Mike Deubig Posted 7 years ago

This post is a bit old, but I thought I throw in my 2 cents worth since I have a lot more experience using the plastic now than I did when this post first came out. Firstly, the ITTF doesn't listen to players, I hear this from old pros. The ITTF wants to centralize the game to their liking without players input. When you make a change like going to plastic balls, one expects some sort of universalism and quality. There are dozens of different kinds of plastic balls that do not behave the same way. Quality remains an issue. I think plastic balls have affected the game in a negative sense. Not because it's slightly bigger than previous balls, but the technology isn't quite there yet. If the ITTF had better judgment, it would have waited longer to mandate the transition rather than telling players to get used to it! I don't mind playing with the plastic balls because the blades and rubbers are getting better but the quality of the balls remain almost the same.  


ankur bose

ankur bose Posted 7 years ago

i purchasing a table tennis ball (stag company) it was light weight and solid and i was able to spin it a lot. then i purchase more costlier ball for the same company which i feel more solid and a bit more heavier and with this ball i am unable to spin much, i just wanted to know why is this variation ?? as i am new to table tennis.


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