Service Return
Jeff or Alois,
I've noticed a lot of players are using the banana flip on their backhands,mostly to attack serves but some whenever they have the chance. It looks like a cousin of the reverse pendulum backspin serve but with the wrist cocked about as far as it can be downward and then making about a 3/4 circle when hitting the ball. At the starting point you can see the top of the forearm with the wrist cocked back far enough that the top of the forearm blocks its view. The finishing point seems to be the bottom of the forearm and the palm side of the hand both facing the ceiling. This shot seems to generate a tremendous amount of spin. I was thinking of practicing it but wanted to know if I have the mechanics right. Also, at what point on the ball do you want to make contact? And how much of the shot is a brushing contact compared to force?
Thanks in advance,
Brian
Hi Brian,
Take a look at our lesson on the Backhand Sidespin Flick and let me know if this is the stroke you are talking about. I like your name for it a lot better than ours.
It can be a really effective return but is an advanced stroke. More of the top players are using it now. You are brushing around the side of the ball on the contact to get the sidespin. This also means that you are not getting the full force of the backspin on the ball.
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cannon gavin Posted 11 years ago
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Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 11 years ago
No problems Cannon. Glad you are enjoying it.
parkash rawat Posted 10 years ago
Hi Alois,
I think I just did kind of "forehand banana flips" while receiving some shorts serve on my forehand. They were tougher to execute but I think I managed fine. Have you ever seen someone try this shot?
Parkash
Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 10 years ago
It is harder to do because of the movement of the wrist.
parkash rawat Posted 10 years ago
Thanks for a very swift reply Alois.
Ilia Minkin Posted 10 years ago
Is it true that with banana flick one supposed to generate topspin (it looks like a mini topspin) rather than hit flatly as in ordinary flick?
Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 10 years ago
Yes there is a lot of topspin and also sidespin.
Thomas Kunzfeld Posted 10 years ago
A little slow motion video of Christian Süss performing the same stroke, brushing very much:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI_HZbFfSTA
Ilia Minkin Posted 10 years ago
Is it a good idea to try to cover the entire table with this flick (maybe without sidespin for lower level players)? Or having a forehand flick is equally important?
Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 10 years ago
Hi Ilia,
To start with it is important to develop your forehand flick as well. Playing the backhand banana flick from everywhere takes a lot of training, but only with the stroke but also with the recovery for the next ball.
Ilia Minkin Posted 9 years ago
Hi Alois,
Why do top players opt for topspin flick on their backhand and a flat flick on their forehand? A flat backhand flick seem to be a very rare stroke.
Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 9 years ago
Hi Ilia,
It is easier to use your wrist with the backhand flick to make this stroke. It is not as easy with the forehand side.