Choosing a new rubber

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Last updated 14 years ago

Tevia Sapire

Tevia Sapire Asked 14 years ago

Hi Jeff and Alois,

Guess what another equipment quesion :P sorry! I know you guys are more concerned with technique and i should think about having good technque rather than constantly wanting the latest rubbers and blades but I could use some expert advice. I am a junior player (15) and am playing at my local club and have entered a few tournaments. I am currently playing with my first custom raquet, friendship 729 1.8mm both sides on a stiga offensive. Although it is a tacky rubber I find i dont get the level of spin i want because of its thickness. I also find that my return of serve has slightly suffered due to the takiness. I did however get more control. These comparisons are being made compared to my fairly good quality pre-made raquet.

(This seems to be a very long story :) ) I am a heavy topspin player and love using spin, but the slight lack of spin has made my spins less effective and players can easily block them. I would like to try out tenergy 05, because i tried it once and it seemed very suitable for my game, i got plenty of topspin.

Finally, do you think i should go ahead and get myself some tenergy rubbers? What thickness should i get them in? 1.9mm? 2.00mm? I dont have the greatest control but I can always adapt to a faster combination. Please share your wealth of knowledge :)


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario Answered 14 years ago

Hi Tevia,

That was a long question but I think I have a short answer.  I have found Tenergy to be a really good rubber.  The other option is to get Yasaka Pryde or XIOM Vega.  These are usually a little cheaper.  Vega is very similar in performance to Tenergy.  As far as thickness, 2.0 mm should be fine.


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Jason Unknown

Jason Unknown Posted 14 years ago

I've been through this myself and have gone the whole route of buying pricey fast blades and premium rubbers..and after all of that I've actually gone back to a much slower blade and slower rubbers.

I think at the start of your TT experience you should always stick to a slower, control centered blade. It'll be easier for you to learn proper stroke mechanics!

What I look for in a paddle setup are the following:

1.) Speed should be moderate, I don't want the ball hitting the paddle and then zipping off or popping up. I want it to have lots of gears. The less I put in, the less I get out. (Allows me to play a good short game and medium distance game - but I may suffer on the long distance looping game..but that's okay since my rallies usually don't get that far).

2.) Feel is paramount. I should be able to feel the contact of the ball when it hits my paddle. I should feel a slight vibration in my paddle. The sound that the contact makes when I loop, when I top spin or when I mostly hit a hard driving counterhit should be different. This gives me feedback of whether I'm performing the stroke correctly or if I messed it up.

 

3.) The paddle setup should be fairly light. I've found that the lighter the paddle is, the easier it is to do a good pendulum serve or reverse pendulum serve. Have you ever tried snapping your paddle one way and then completely reversing the direction on a heavy paddle? The heavier the paddle, the harder it is to change the momentum of the blade and the harder it is to perform deceptive serves that combine several wrist motions.

 Also , please don't buy into the hype of super expensive paddle setups. I have a $50 blade and I have a $20 blade, I actually prefer my $20 blade.

I've bought $34 rubbers but I prefer my $12 rubbers which play BETTER.

 

My setup is a LKT Instinct 5 ply (ALL+ to OFF-) with 1.8mm 35 degree Dawei Inspirit on both forehand and backhand.

Excellent feel, decent speed and an amazing short game.

Move on to fast fast rubbers and carbon blades once you've mastered all techniques (this should take a few  years, minimum). At the start of playing TT is the best time to discover what sort of play style benefits you the most.

Going with a super fast setup will restrict your exploration.


Tevia Sapire

Tevia Sapire Posted 14 years ago

Thanks for your answers and comments. I understand that I should not rush into a super fast rubber and blade. I currently am using a more controlled based blade and i feel i am not generating enough power or spin, even compared to my pre-made bat. Even my opponents have commented on the fact that my shots, especially my serves, were less effective after changing to this setup. This setup also doesn't really suit my game, as i like to use heavy spin, and enjoy looping from the backcourt. Please let me know your thoughts on this.

Tevia Sapire

Tevia Sapire Posted 14 years ago

Oh, and i have been playing the sport for about 2 and a half years, so i dont think im a begginner, I've obviously not mastered all the strokes, but i have a decent topspin attacking game and am fairly consistent with my strokes, i could use more training, but so can everyone i guess :). In my opinion this rubber will benefit my game in time because it is suited to my game more than my current setup.


Jason Unknown

Jason Unknown Posted 14 years ago

I've always found that a very fast rubber is more difficult to serve with. I think it's because the ball rebounds too fast from the rubber.. So doing something like a heavy back spin pendulum serve could be very tricky.

The thinner the rubber and the tackier/grippier (depending on if you are using Chinese or Japan style rubbers) the more spin you'll be able to generate.

 

I used to use Gambler Outlaw 2.1mm on my forehand and serves using that rubber weren't half as effective as serves coming from the rubber on the otherside (a black tacky 1.8mm cream transcend).

I now use inspirit 1.8mm with a very soft sponge and my serves are great. I'm able to force the opponent to push because I'm able to get the ball barely over the net with a good deal of backspin. During serve practice I'm able to perform a serve that will bounce on the other side of the court 5-6 times before rolling off.

Even then, this is not as good as the serves shown by Alois and Jeff. They're able to cause the ball to come back to the net and never go off the table. Now that's a lot of backspin!


Tevia Sapire

Tevia Sapire Posted 14 years ago

I have the oppisite situation, even when i used my pre-made bat my serves were MUCH more of a weapon because of the rubber thickness. I have fairly good control on my serves and can get good placement. My problem is the serves dont have enough spin to cause the damage i am looking for, as i said that my premade BAT DID. I found the spin level was a level lower on this custom bat and therefor my serves are easier to return.

My backspin serve, for example, also spins back to the net and never goes off the table (when i used my premade bat). But, with my new combination, this was much harder to do. It took longer for the ball to start bouncing back, and the ball didnt  bounce backward at the same rate as with my premade bat ( therefor less spin).

Last year i played a junior tournament and i was still using my premade bat. I didnt know how to use a topspin sidepin pendulum serve ( I do now :) ) so i mainly served my heavy backspin serve, the one that never goes off the table. Most of my opponents have SO MUCH difficulty in returning because of the spin. Now when I use this serve my opponents return it easily.

On average i used to win about 5-8 points a match just from my opponents missing my serve. Now i only win maybe 2-3 per match. Let me know on your thoughts on this.


Leslie Unknown

Leslie Unknown Posted 14 years ago

Opinions on equipment can get vary and be quite confusing, but the most important thing to remember is that you should use what you want. If you feel the premade blade was more suited to your game even though it was cheaper than the custom blade, then by all means use the premade.

I was indecisive between 2 blades myself before. One was getting the better results in comps but I had more fun playing with the other blade and that's the one I stuck with. In essence, it's the enjoyment we get out of it is the reason we play table tennis.


MAR Unknown

MAR Unknown Posted 14 years ago

Tevia,

Its quite difficult to change equipments...

Rubber and blade behaviors differ quite greatly...

If you are going to look for all your old techniques in your new blade, I think it would be quite impossible unless you have already perfected your technique...

It would be easier to migrate into the new set-up if you get used to some part of it first...

example:

My first custom racket was made of a stock wood(cheap blade for regular players, sunflex i think...), tackiness drive 2.0 on both sides...

I mastered that blade and could do various shots with it...

after that, i was no longer satisfied with the speed of the blade, so i bought a viscaria...

But instead of getting new rubbers, i opted to use the old tackiness drive rubbers since i am already familiar with how it behaves...

i found it to be faster than my old set-up but its spin is still the same since i was already familiar with tackiness...

I adjusted my game to it...

After that I wanted to have a more offensive/defensive game, so i bought a sriver g2 and a tackifire c... Now me being familiar with the viscaria allowed me to re-adjust my game easily with the new rubbers...

 


Indrit Bajraktari Unknown

Indrit Bajraktari Unknown Posted 14 years ago

Tevia, I have been in a similar problem like you. I used to have Stiga Optimum Sync with 1.8mm friednship 729 spin tacky. I was good all-rounder, but I always wanted to hit the ball, I wanted to dominate the game. These rubbers were to slow for me. I tryed different players bats, bought several rubbers to try on. Ot the moment I am using Timo Boll Alc with Tenergy 05 2.1mm both sides. I saw your previus comment, that you are thinking of buying a tenergy rubbers. Well the rubber is very grippy and quite spinny ( Tenergy are not the spinniest rubbers or at least 05 in not). Tenergy rubbers are over-price but by no mean they are bad. I like them. Since I am playing with tenergy rubbers my game play improuved drasticly. If you have money you can go for them, otherwize I would recomend you Yasaka or XIOM Vega or DHS Hurricane or Haifu White shark.


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