New Rubbers for my new blade

The Butterfly Amultart arrived today...and I went ahead and ordered Pryde and Omega III from pingskills....:)

It's a (very) fast combination....hope I can tame it!

Hi Ji Soo,

What you have ordered is it Xiom Omega III Asian or European?  How does it feel after one day of trial?

 Hi PiaoPiao, Or any other reader who knows this....

Since you are a user of Tibhar Nimbus, would like to ask how's the THROW ANGLE of the ball projecting from the rubber during top spin looping?  I am thinking to purchase Tibhar Nimbus Sound to be glued to Tibhar Samsonov Alpha blade.  Just wish the throw angle is reasonably high enough so that I could consistently loop heavy back spin ball over the net clean and still not too long off the table edge.  Thanks....

Hi Ji-Soo,

How's the throw angle of both Yasaka Pryde and Xiom Omega III?  I know this is not an easy question considering that you could not yet generate enough spin during looping.   My question basically means how easy it is to loop heavy back spin ball without going into the net, and yet successfully drop on opponent's table without going too long? 

Hi Lionel

I didn't face any chops, only pushes, so nothing with spectacular backspin, but with that qualification I had a much easier time attacking backspin with this racquet (on both sides) than I did previously with my faster 3s (which have quite low throws).

Even though I couldn't do heavy loops, even driving the ball I was (by the end of the night) fairly consistently able to turn backspin into topspin.  In fact, the ability to attack pushes is probably the most exciting improvement with my new combination.

I've been hearing a lot of opinions about my combination.  Some people say they've seen many table tennis players unable to generate spin with the Pryde.  Others talk about my set up being very weak against the short game.  Anyway, I've only had one hit with it so still too early to say.

This Tenergy 5 sounds enticing if Pryde ends up not working out.  Has anyone tried both?  What are the salient differences?

I had exclusive time with Tenergy via my clubmate's bats. Here is what I think. For years I've been playing with Sriver glued and unglued and I think Tenergy is a suitable change from glued Sriver. So my guess is that if you're using Mark V for a long time already, go for Pryde. I see similar characteristics like they are both medium soft rubbers, verstaile etc.

What I don't get is why can't manufacturers just make a factory tuned Sriver or Mark V so we can still play a modified classic rubber and we don't need to adjust to Tensor rubbers. I adjusted my counter looping stroke in Tenergy because it's going too high.

Diaz,

Would like to know when you mean the throw angle is very high for Tenergy 05, do you mean the throw angle during top spin exchanges only, or even top spin against back spin ball?  So, I can imagine that the stroke adjustment you meant, for example, if previously you need to hit the ball at a position slightly higher than the middle of the ball to put the ball over the net onto the other's table, perhaps now you have to hit the ball the near the top of the ball, so that can keep the ball over the net and still onto the table without going too long.  Is that what you mean?  And is this style of stroke needed to top spin a back spin ball to opponent? 

I think Tenergy's throw is medium. I adjusted my loop stroke to really brush the top of the ball. Tenergy is a topspin monster. It can loop topspin and backspin very well at a really fast speed and very heavy spin. To use this topspin machine, you need to be at a very high level of play, trains at least regualarly and knows how to brush the ball. Look at Timo and you'll know what I mean.

Nobody has the same strokes. Everyone's loop is unique in it's own way. You can adjust your stroke by experimenting. Try different contact points, when to hit the ball etc. Because no one but yourself can tell what you need to adjust.

Hope this helps. Also my name is Carlo. Don't call me by my family name as you may be calling my whole family (If you're Japanese, then it's okay. I understand you call guys by last name.

Carlo,

Thanks, I can know what you mean.  And the fact that how Timo executes his top spin (always brushing near the top of the ball during top spin exchanges) is the testimony of the throw angle.  I have seen other players like Guo Yue (using Tenergy 05) playing against Park Mi Young's chopping, she has to lift the ball, instead of playing flat.  Thus, I think it is quite related to the blade used as well.  What blade do you use with Tenergy 05?  Wish you know any of this information pertaining to Tibhar Nimbus Sound, does it have medium or high throw angle same as Tenergy?   

I use the Timo Boll Spirit and Primorac Off- on Tenergy.

I use Timo Boll Spirit because 1. I need a looping blade that\\\'s not to hard or soft 2. Timo Boll is my idol.

I used Primorac Off- as my first starting blade.

I know that Primorac Off- to Timo Boll Sprit with Tenergy is a huge step up but I know it\\\'s a worth while investment since I\\\'ll get used to the blade and rubber anyways because of everyday training for 3 hours. I only have 2 blades and I don\\\'t plan on buying more.

 My rule of the thumb when buying is that go to table tennis forums and ask. That\\\'s right. Pingskills is a small comunity of supporters and lovers of table tennis but table tennis forums have much more knowledge. (Don\\\'t get the Equipment Junkie Virus while you\\\'re at it.)

Carlo,

Thanks, and I studied Butterflyonline video pertaining to Tenergy 05, and it seems the looping stroke to topspin a backspin ball is practially no different from topspin a topspin ball according to the illustration of the video for Tenergy 05.  Is this a testimony of how excellent the medium throw rubber is during looping?

During your own 3-hour training everyday, do you find yourself looping a back spin ball and looping a top spin ball your racquet angle at contact with the ball, amount of brushing/hitting, and swing stroke basically no different?

Hi Leonel, obviously you have to change your swing against backspin but it's otherwise the same. Like I said before, Tenergy is a topspin machine and you can do anything with it that includes topspin. I have rather interesting feedback about Tenergy 05 though. I did a lob and smash rally today because I was bored. I really had a hard time with my Tenergy 05. It's almost impossible to land the ball on the table with precision unlike my previous setup, SRIVER. I had to adjust my stroke again. You have hit the ball at the top with very fast hand speed(not power). My counterhitting stroke is still okay though.

My theory is that the lob's heavy topspin affected my smash against lob stroke and since Tenergy is a topspin machine, it was made to counter heavy topsin with counterlooping it. Comparing it to my counterhitting stroke, I guess this theory is OKAY. My theory is to swing faster with more power and effort to cancel out the spin and kill the ball.

Just a friendly note, Brian Pace did that video for Butterfly and he now owns his own Company, Dynamic Table Tennis (www.dynamictabletennis.com). He uses a discountinued blade(Kreanga Aeros), a Glass Fiber blade.

To answer your throw angle question:

Low Throw Angle: Against Topspin = Easy /Against Backspin = Adjust Stroke

Medium Throw Angle: Equally committed

High Throw Angle: Against Topsin = Close more/ Against Backspin = Easy

This is one of the reasons why I always choose medium throw rubbers.