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In terms of amateur level play, which serve would you say helps you win the most games? Which serve would you say is the most effective?
Hi Chad,
This is interesting. At a club level I think a serve with a lot of spin and perhaps speed will be most effective. I don't think any one type of serve in particular here just focus on a lot of spin.
I would be interested to hear players views that play at club level.
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Gerardo Gomez Posted 12 years ago
Short-Backspin Serve.
It makes difficult for almost anyone to attack that type of serve.
But I think that the real KEY of serve is to have some variation. You need to always keep your opponent guessing what are you going to serve.
Good Luck!
Aaron San Posted 12 years ago
I'm a casual player, and what I find that works is to try and vary the serve. It's not one type of serve that will help you in your game, it's mixing it up so that your opponent gives weak returns. Generally, I use alot of bottom or bottome-side serves, coz their harder to attack.
I rarely give sidespin serves, coz they can be attacked fairly easily, unless they are very fast. However, I have a friend who can do a short and spinny sidespin serve, and because it's short and goes to my backk hand it's tricky to return
A short, no-spin serve is what I use if I plan on doing a third ball attack coz, the ball will, hopefully, pop up high.
Orr Margalit Posted 12 years ago
i think that a short very wide serve with a lot of sidespin is most effective
because the return come little high and you have all the other sude of the table to attack
Arnab Ghosh Posted 12 years ago
Pendulum serve with a lot of spin or speed, is a good serve. Maybe mix it up with an occasional down the line fast serve and I'd say its a good start for a successful rally.
Kevin Z Posted 12 years ago
My backhand sidespin/topspin works best against amateurs. Hard to see if the sidespin is with topspin or backspin
Ji-Soo Woo Posted 12 years ago
There are a lot of levels in amateur play as well. When I was playing in div 4, not many people had much spin to speak of on their serve so any spin you can put will mess people up - regardless of length. One player had a fairly spinny, long, sidespin with a touch of topspin serve which he would curl away from the receiver's backhand. Most people were too terrified of the curve in flight that they never adjusted, even though he basically did the same serve over and over again. He won the majority of his points on serve without ever having to hit a third ball! In div 3, and more so in div 2, it is harder to win points outright with your serve...however, people still don't punish long serves - so the most effective serves still seem to be spinny long serves. Main difference is that people DO adjust, so a bit of variation is handy. The big step up is in div 1. A lot of div 2 players who have killer serves and get promoted to div 1 suddenly find their serves under attack immediately because they are serving long. In div 1, it is more about variety (speed, placement, spin) and deception more than about ripping the ball with maximum spin.
David Nguyen Posted 12 years ago
Thanks Ji-Soo. I'm experiencing this at club level too, when I filled in at div 2,3 and 4 last year.
Tim Stephens Posted 12 years ago
I have had great success with my heavy under-side to the forehand. When they start to get it over the net and on the table, I disguise a side-top. If they havn't thrown their racket yet, and learn my stuff, I dig in the bag for some more serves. :^)
Sounds like a handy bag of tricks.
eduardo espinosa Posted 12 years ago
Looks like Kevin C. and I have similar strategies of serves. Now I can add that the serve should be a set up for a 3rd ball attack by using 2nd bounce on the opponents board around the end line. If you make your opponent get use to heavy spin serves all the time, you can throw him out of control by faking a heavy side-underspin short on his forehand by using the same backhand movement to his forehand while yo are really giving side-topspin. In any case keep your serves in a permanent variation of placement and speed. And always keep thinking of putting more "tricks in your bag". The serve is the only time when you legally have the ball in you hand.
Nabil Almahrami Posted 12 years ago
I think to keep variating your serve is good in two things: first, you will know which of your serves were effective on your opponent so that you will use it at last points to finish the game or recover from loss. Secondly, to confuse him and not let him expect what you will serve.
vineet kumar Posted 12 years ago
serve with a lots of variation. :D
Marcus Anbau Posted 11 years ago
I do most of the time a very short/low and heavy backspin/sidespin serve. Many, many players do have trouble to bring it even back over the net. If they eventually do I throw in a variation with topspin, I try to use very similar motion to fool them.
The better players who can return my serve allways say there is no way to attack that serve, they can only return it short into my forhand due to the heavy sidespin. I then keep it short to wait for their longer shot, push it long myself to open the really or if they reduced my spin I step around to use a backhand/sidespin flick. Later is hard to return for them if they didnt get fast enough back into ready position and are still somewhat close to the table. That last technique needs to be a winner or I am out of position.
Rene van der Kleij Posted 11 years ago
Well if you compete regularly, you’ll play the same opponents again and again, 1st. - serve whatever variations to find out what’s most effective, that’s the one to play less, will keep it for crucial points. 2nd - I film all my games and as many opponents as possible to be prepared for the next encounter.
ker Gordon Posted 11 years ago
I recently played the handicap cup, playing a team 3 divisions below me anyway i found my short kicker serve to most useful mixed in with reverse backspin deep into the Backhand to be really effective.
RICK Santos Posted 11 years ago
Why not????
swaroop dhulipalla Posted 11 years ago
I like to do a pendulum or a reverse pendulum serve.i mean i personally prefer them
Edwin Gosens Posted 11 years ago
I think it depends on your opponent whitch serve has the most effect on them.
If your opponent has bad footwork a fast and long serve right on his elbow (the crossover point) will be effective but dont use it the entire match because you opponent will be able to adapt.
If your opponent is left handed (and you are right handed) a short pendulum serve wide to his forehand with alot of spin you will get back a weak ball. but once again dont use it too much because ou opponent will adapt.
same for a righthander short reverse pendulum serves on his forehand will be effective (zhang jike does it alot against righthanders)
Earl Joseph Posted 11 years ago
I use mostly all type of serves in a match. Because if my opp. get used to one serve, he will attack. that's why. Si, this tactic is correct, right?
Ahmad Malik Posted 10 years ago
Im sorry i pasted a blank page.... My comment-
ive read most comments up and all are very reasonable, my s recommendation if you are on a beginner level.. Focus on fast and low serves.. Fast and low a serves are good for beginners but `spin` is much more effective, learn a fast and keep practicing your spin , when you have understood spin, and its reaction by opponents, and perfected spin, then apply it in a match
GOODLUCK!!
Gary McAdams Posted 10 years ago
A well-disguised no-spin and top-spin pendulum serve have been my bread-and-butter so far, even against players who are much better than me. It's very satisfying to serve a short topspin and watch the enemy try to push it back, which causes it to pop straight up in the air for an easy smash. It really does a number on their mental game too :-)
Yuriy Melnikov Posted 10 years ago
I think that spinny underspin short serve, spinny short topspin serve and spinny sidespin serve are most effective against opponents. Sometimes try no spin serve or long serves with different spins as unpredictible serves.
Hi Yuriy,
That sounds like good advice. Keeping a lot of your serves short with some surprise long serves can be very effective. If your opponent doesn't like the long fast serves then you can throw in more of them.
Kailash Gowtham Posted 10 years ago
Always have variation and try to decieve your opponent.
And yes never do the samw serve consecutively more than three times as your opponent would get used to it.
Exampleif you use a sidespin serve and your opponent is not able to lift and then do a serve with the spin in the opposite direction and always have a suprise serve like a fast long sreve as your opponent would get used to pushing on your spin serves and push your fast serve as a reflex(als people tend to chop when ball comes suddenly) giving you the height to hit
Table TennisGuy Posted 10 years ago
I think the reverse pendulum serve is beast!
D K Posted 9 years ago
I usually do not use reverse pendulum,because it always goes nearly paralelly with the net.....
But I have a large variety of normal pendulum serves,although they are weak
But I am often quite succesful with using a sidespin topspin serve,while trying to keep it short
Also,I have an equal success with a no spin fast serve into the free corner
Jon Ferguson Posted 9 years ago
Hi Everyone-
I think the main thing to develop at any level is service variation, ie., two different spins from the same service action. JO Waldner and Werner Schlager were masters at this.
The one I prefer is the forehand pendulum serve with one main variation. Normally I serve back/ side spin, with the variation being side/ top spin. The action of the serve is exactly the same for both, until right at the end when bat meets ball. It is very deceptive, difficult to see, and can win easy points. Accelerating the ball off the bat when doing the side/ top variation will give your opponent less time to react if he/ she does notice the switch.
Look for "Werner Schlager Service Explanation" on You Tube- this video will give you some idea of what I mean, although Werner uses different variations in this video.
The background noise is fairly high, but you can hear most of what he says.
Good Luck
Jon
Romeo Chua Posted 9 years ago
Should we still use our best serves at practice matches?
Dieter Verhofstadt Posted 9 years ago
In our club and at top level, short serves are promoted to be key, because they prevent an attack.
However, I have found that at my level, players have a lot of trouble with fast, deep serves, especially if they have sidespin on them.
Since I saw a video (in French) by Christophe Legout, where this professional player talks about fast serves most of the time, I've come to rehabilitate the fast deep serve in my games and now use it up to 40%. I'm varying pure sidespin with a fast dead serve or a side topspin serve. The sidespin will be returned out sideways, the topspin out long, and the dead serve into the net.
When my opponents become intimidated with these fast sdeep erves to the backhand, I throw in a short backspin serve to the forehand side. Again, at my level, this will often result in a double bounce ace! It's a glorious feeling.
I'm mixing in the pendulum serves of all sorts just to keep the opponent confused and prevent him from learning how to handle the deep serves. I used to follow the "short serve, 3rd ball attack" tactic, which I'm sure will remain important throughout my career, but I'm winning many direct points with deep serves.
Tushar Verma Posted 8 years ago
If we are playing at a club level the combination of underspin and topspin will be great but for a tournament; depending what serve you can do the best.
Johan B Posted 8 years ago
That's a nice magic trick, Tushar :)
maarten koopmans Posted 8 years ago
for me, currently playing at a club level, my favorite serves are backhand sidetopspin, BH sidebackspin, BH sidespin and the BH backspin. with these 4 variations I do pretty good at club level. placement is probably another aspect which could help a lot. Good luck finding a serve that works for you!