Strokes and Technique
I'm about a 1500 rated player trying to get better. I play at a couple of different clubs here in town where I interact with players from India, Russa, China, and more. I've been getting lots of different tips from people about how to do various strokes, and of course I'm finding conflicts between what different people tell me.
I actually started taking lessons with a woman that was a Pro in China for a number of years. She is teaching me everything in a very specific way, and is very adamant about how she wants me doing things. I've been very happy with my training with her, and I can clearly see what she's teaching me in the way many of the top Chinese players play.
Now, for the most part, everything anybody of any style tells me about hitting forehand drives, loops, and blocking is pretty similar. They have different ways of teaching it, but the end result seems to be very similar in most cases.
The thing that is very different, though, from what I've seen, is the backhand loop. I've been doing quite a bit of studying, and it seems like it might simply be a difference in the European style vs. Chinese style..? Can you confirm or deny that for me?
I will say this, I watched your backhand loop video, and I can tell you that if I was doing my loops that way my coach would give me a nasty look and say "No...that not right!" The way you show sort of wrapping around your body and finishing with your hand all the way turned over...especially on the loops off underspin. You guys show really following through across your body so your hand is way up by your ear. This would drive my coach crazy.
When I'm at the clubs, though, I see all the Russians doing it the way you guys show, but then I see most of the Chinese doing it the way my coach shows, and when I watch guys like Ma Long, Zhang Jike, and other Chinese shakehand players it looks just like what she's showing me. They much shorter and compact with those backhand loops.
Am I on the right track with this at all, or am I completely wrong? I ask this question to people and I get conflicting answers all the time, so I'm really curious what you have to say about that.
Anything you can tell me about the subject would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Hi Andrew,
I think you may be right with the difference between Chinese and European backhands. The European backhand tends to be a little longer in general. I think also when you first learn it is easier to have a longer swing to ensure your bat is going in the right direction. With a shorter swing it is easy to go off track with the stroke.
Since you have a coach that is teaching you in a particular way, stay with it and listen to what she is saying. She is there with you watching your stroke and correcting it.
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Andrew Angell Posted 11 years ago
Thanks for the quick response! Yeah, I planned on sticking with what she tells me, but it's one of those situations where I don't want to shoot down what people at clubs are trying to show me because I want to welcome any advice I can get, but when something specific like that is so different I'd like to be confident in my words when explaining why I prefer one way over the other without acting like I'm "too good" to hear what somebody is trying to show me...I don't want them to stop showing me other things.
I asked my coach about it but she said "that way not right." I don't think she fully understood my question, though. There is a little bit of a language barrier.
Anyway, thanks again for the quick response. I love the material you guys provide!
Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 11 years ago
I think it is god to take in as much as you can from different sources as long as you can process things and work out what suits you. When you have one coach it is difficult to go against what they say, bit try other things out when you have some time by yourself.
Surapun Wongopasi Posted 11 years ago
Most European players play farther from the table, so they need a longer stroke. Their loops are more powerful and more spinny than the Chinese backhand loops. The shorter Chinese backhand loops help them keep their balance and ready to play the next shot, but they normally can't finish the point with just one loop.
mat huang Posted 11 years ago
I think the Europeans generally have a better backhand loop eg. timo boll But I think the reason is because the chinese tries not to loop most backspin push with backhand and they rather pivot for forehand. As for off the table, they usually play forehands anyways (ma long is an exception...). This has both advantage and disadvantages but as alois says, stick with your coach.