Fast exchange rally

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eugene lu

eugene lu Asked 6 years ago

Hi pingskills,

  1. There is one type of rally is table tennis. The rally goes like this, two players are both playing a fast stroke back to each other, just like a loop to loop rally but they are actually close to the table and the attacks aren't that powerful. I'm not sure if they are both attack or what. Maybe one of defending and one attacking.Are these rallies called a fast exchange rally? If you need me clues,you can usually see it during the ladies matches and the backhand rallies of the men
  2. What should you do during this type of rallies. I'm trying to use what you taught me in one of your videos. A block, punch and topspin. When to use which stroke , where should I place it and and which stroke is more effective. P.s. the ball is coming to me very fast

Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario Answered 6 years ago

Hi Eugene,

I guess you can call it a fast exchange rally.  The best thing to do in this type of rally is place the ball well and usually to the opponents backhand side.  If you can take the ball early and give your opponent less time, you should be able to maintain the ascendancy.

As to what type of stroke you should do, that will depend on your balance and also the time you have for each shot.  If you are in good position and have time you can play a more attacking stroke but if you are not in good position and have less time then you should aim to control the ball and keep the ball in a difficult place for your opponent.


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eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

I have a problem is that even when the ball is slow I can't counter it. I always miss it. Maybe because I'm not in a good stance. Speaking about stance, I know it's important but if I don't do it correctly, how much will it effect my whole game?


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 6 years ago

It is important to have a good stance.  It is a real difference in how much you can develop your game.

It can also lead to you not being able to play the slower balls as this requires adjustment of your balance and waiting for the ball.


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

This is exactly my problem,finally someone managed to name it somehow.

Alois,please,how can I break/win such a rally with my pimples?
In these rallies,the balls are often dead at my level,so I can break it only by high chopping or lobbing,si it is useful only when I have an olympic games-like space.

But what should I do in small spaces where is hardly enough space to make a mid-range loop?


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 6 years ago

DK, try to force the push through and add your own pace.


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Eh...I am confused.

Does it mean that I should overspeed my opponent?

I do not know how to slow the game down without lifting a ball :(


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Hi DK, you try blocking the ball to slow to ball down or you can also try a chop block. 

Go to go to the top right corner and click the icon, then click "lessons". Then go find two videos call forehand click and backhand block.There is where I learned how to block the ball.

If you have more time you can attack your opponent, otherwise block it

Yup, you should overspeed your opponent. Take the ball rally so your opponent has less time to react. If you wait till the ball reached the highest point, the opponent is probably already in a very good position to counter attack you. 

Takes practise, even I can't do that yet. At the mean time, just try to outsmart your opponent by placing the ball at different areas on the table to confuse your opponent


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Eugene,I am a longpimple user.

Blocking a fast counterhit is much more difficult with it.

Chopblock-I tried,but I can do it only against an enormously spinny loop.
How can I alter the stroke to match a deadshot?
It always goes far behind the table or into the net.

 

About the videos-I have already seen probably all free videos,so I have seen these two.
But the mechanics of the strokes with Rakza and with longpips are quite different.

I am a player who was born with so bad eyesight that I would probably never find my opponent without glasses.
Even with them,I have huge problem with seeing faster balls.
Slowing down the game is crucial for me.
I am a spin focused player,so I need to enforce a slow,very spinny loop from my opponent.
"More time" for me means about two seconds.
This is the time I need for preparing an attack,counting from the contact of opponent's bat and the ball.

I know it needs practising.
It just is very far from my style.
I am (trying to be) a classical chopper,but I am dull,I have problem to think about placement.
My mind works like:

1)find a ball
2)
a)remember what stroke has opponent used
b)choose your own stroke
3)get a position
4)focus on hitting the ball
5)focus on getting spin
6)focus on placement

I usually have time for 1) and 2)a) point and then I must skip to the fourth point because there is no time to prepare the stroke.
If someone counterhits against me,I have no time for the backswing of the loop,for example.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Dk, if you feel like the pimple rubber is harder to block, then twiddle the racket and use the normal rubber.

Put on your glasses when you play, it else you can't see and can't track the ball.

In these rallies, it's really hard to slow down, it's called fast exchange rally for a reason. The rally Is fast ,you must always be ready for it. Keep your body lee do you can't move faster and focus better. When you focus better you can track better when you track the ball better, you will be more consistent.

If you are thinking of being a chopper, then the problem is solved.If you want to be a chopper you really don't need to get into these rallies, just stay back a chop .

You are right,  you Can't do a lot of back swing because the ball Is coming so fast, you won't have time, just do a small back swing

you should use only 3 strokes on these rallies. Block, punch, and topspin. Usually use block if you are under pressure. If the ball Is slower you ca punch the ball away from your opponent. When you ate a little back from the table you can use,a topspin

If necessary, try to duo some drills to improve your reflexes and footwork


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Eugene

Yes,I tried twiddling.
I am unfortunately very slow and cannot twiddle as fast as it nwould be required.
But thanks

It is quite difficult to track,because I see like a slow camera even with my glasses.
This is the problem that can be sloved only by surgery.
No glasses can repair the fact that I see fast movements with an afterttrail or as a misty cloud of colours.

Yes,in a large space,I would deal with it.
But as everyone in my close area wants me to be an attacker,they usually make me to play at the table where is no "back".
Usually I play in a space where I have 150cm behind my endline.

And yes,I am doing these drills,but am very unsuccesful.
I am a longest possible distance player,and I need the largest possible amount of time toreact


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

You should practise twiddling. Because one you are very good at twiddling, you cab ready twiddle to use both sides therefore confusing your opponent. I just watched the Asian table tennis championships and saw one Indian lady called batra she was twiddling very well and using the long pimples on both her forehand and backhand. She lost though

Maybe you should go see a eye specialist to check your eyes then if necessary have then operated.

If you have a small court, then you really shouldn't be a chopper because choppers are usually away from the table. You should be a close to  table attacking player.And try to stay add close to the table as possible because once you are forced back, you really difficult to come back in. That's why you should try to take the ball early. Because the earlier to take the ball, the less time your opponent has to react. And the less time he has to react, the more pressure he is feeling, and the more pressure he's feeling, the less Chance he will be attacking. He should usually be defending when he is under pressure. so attack him and try to force him back

Here's some tips when practising. You should really practise switching from forehand to backhand quicker. Adj your partner to place the ball randomly on the table at a fast speed, start slow at first, add you are getting the hang of it, you can speed up.

As for footwork, just do basic sideways footwork and try to get fast and again start slow then speed up. Then you can do other footwork like falkenberg 

But if you still want to be a chopper, then I recommend you to be an attacking chopper rather than a classic defensive chopper. Because you can surprise your opponent with your fast attacks because you ate chopping. And Also try to add variation to your chops. sometime heavy chops, sometimes just try to float it over. Defenders footwork ate like a triangle. Watch a pingskills video at match strategy called playing as a chopper.


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

It is not about that I am not fast at twiddling.
Yes,I am not something excellent,but I can twiddle fast enough to fit my game.
It is about I do not know when to twiddle,because I do not know where the ball is until it touches my table.

Eyes-I already have these informations.
The operation is really neccessary,but it costs nearly 1000pounds per eye and I must not be under-age to get that operation.

That is the point-my team is trying to prevent me from being a chopper.
Every team in my region would.
My defense has become more efficient than my attack,because I have much more time to prepare.
This is because of PingSkills Great Coaches.
I aim for creating pressure by patience,wear my opponent down by making his best attacks useless.

As for your exercises,I am already doing them.
As I already told you,I have seen all free videos from PingSkills.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

£1000 for an eye???? Wow you can get a lifetime supplies of pingskills premium membership. Then I guess you have to live with your eyes that that way. 

There should be a good reason why they don't want you to be a chopper, ask them why, maybe they think choppers are weaker than attackers. Believe me I can't never get a single point against choppers, not even attackers using a chop.

But I have a lot of tactics to play as a chopper. Like I said earlier, vary you chops. Sometime put a lot of backspin, sometime just try to float it over. Sometime add a little sidespin. Also try to place the ball deep bar the end line and make it more difficult more you opponent to loop. And try to chop it at different area on the table. If you watch choppers play, you will notice the attacker tends to use more of his forehand instead of backhand even when the ball flies to their backhand, they will move to play the forehand. So try to chop heavy backspin to their backhand, that's why I told you to be a modern attacking chopper. Because you can unleash a surprising.fast forehand attack.

Most player have a tactic against choppers is try to dropshot to bring the chopper in do they cab play a powerful shot. But now if you play as a modern chopper. Then bringing you in is an advantage for you to win. When they bring you in, you attack them with your strong backhand

Let me Know if you have more problems


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

It is not so hard.
In my country,there is an average salary about 500 pounds.
From the point I will get my first fulltime job,I would be able to earn enough money for the operation in maybe five years.
At the same time,I would be able to get Premium.
I am still a child by law,but I need to be an adult by law to be able to undergo that operation.

Yes,you are right,they do not believe in any backspin strokes.
Yes,there is a team in my region who trains very various styles,but although in that team is a player whose only strokes are sidespin lob,normal lob and smash,there is also a dead-lifter (throws low spinless balls from under the table),no player there uses backspin.
All teams in my region mainly believe in fast flathitting style.
They look down to choppers.

But I still persevered and trained hard,only with a robot and PingSkills help.
The two main reasons for me to become a chopper were these:
1)I need as much time as possible due to my poor reactions and eyes.
If i would play an attacking style,I would have to play on one kill,I would never be able to play two strokes in a row,because the block off my first loop would come back sooner than I get into the finishing position.
2)I wanted to show them,that although I am getting better slower,one day,I will be able to clash with them as an equal,as a fully capable chopper,that defensive style has a future.
There were players who were able to clash with a worldmaster and nearly win.
Notable example is master Takashima Norio-sama,the coach of my main hero,Matsushita Koji-sama.
Also,Joo Sae Hyuk proved once more that a defender can be powerful,reaching final in 2003

About tactics,thank you,but you did not tell me anything new.
All of this I already know.
The problem I have I already described.
I cannot think about what I am putting on the ball and where I am sending it much,else I will miss the ball.
As for modern...I am copying the style of Matsushita Koji-sama,as he seems to be more versatile in his attacks than Joo is.
Joo's attack is surely stronger,but he is limited to his forehand.
Matsushita-sama is much more versatile,you cannot tell from where he is going to attack,as he is not limited by the fact which of his rubbers is he using on which side.
I am also a twiddling chopper, so I am practising all strokes with both rubbers and I can say that I can for example loop equally well with my newly bought Tackiness Drive but also with my TSP Curl P-4 Chop longpips.
These rubbers have more similar properties than the previous Rakza-TSP p4 combo,so my consistancy improved.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

The salary is £500 per month, so don't you need to buy food, pay for rents or water and electric bills? Then you won't have much left

By the way sorry for not telling anything new. Here are some more tactics. If you are a defender, you should always. try to serve short and low with a lot of backspin. This is the best way to stop your opponent from attacking you. Serving fast and long will make them attack you straight away and that should be prevented. And you should always try to play as long as possible to frustrate the attackers, I've seen many attackers vs choppers match. And most of the attackers get really frustrated not able to finish you of. They will think in their mine: " why is this guy so stubborn?!?! Just lose already!!!".Once they get frustrated they will lose all their confidence. And getting into those long rallies really tire them out. Eventually you will get tired too but you won't be as tired as them because you ate defending and using less strength. Your opponent will lose a lot of strength trying to attack you.

Yup , those players are very good, one day you will be like them, just keep up the good work!


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Eh...have you read my comment?
I said that with this salary per month it would take about five years.

There is nothing to apologize for.
There is probably nothing new in terms of basic strategies,all you said I already know.
But you would be surprised how effective a long serve is at my level.
In my league,the best players collect direct points just by serving fast topspin.

I know I should make the rallies as long as possible,but there is an opposing fact about the space and my eyes.
And remember that we both get tired equally,because the attacker will need more power in his arm,but I need to match his arm with my legs
He must make faster strokes,but I need much faster legs.


Thank you for encouraging me.
But I do not think I would ever reach one tenth of their abilities.
Although,being trained by Matsushita Koji-sama is my biggest table tennis dream.

But I do not think so positively.
I have trained for 45 months,but had no success.
I have never won a single set against a trained player.
I have only defeated people who have no idea how to play.
For example,recently I was defeated by 6-years-old girl,who started to play five months ago.
She has never even seen table tennis before.
Despite this,she defeated me 2:11,5:11,0:11
She did not even need to have shoes.
She defeated me nearly without moving wearing just nylons on a floor that slides.
Or another example,month ago,I lost to a 76-years-old man,who is playing in a wheelchair due to the serious injury.
He has lost his right arm and leg,and also he has his right eye from glass.
Note that that man was a righthander before his injury.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Sorry, I'm not from England do I don't know your life there.

You should try to do as much physical training as possible, you can see why the Chinese ate so good and cab reach the top in the World because of strict training. The coaches are really serious about developing good players and treat them like robots. That's why they are so good. I'm from Malaysia and it's not like that. The coaches here will say do 50 Counterhit in about row in 10 minutes and if you didn't complete 50 in 10 minutes, go run 20 laps around the field. But after 15 mins they still didn't complete 50 but the coaches didn't ask them to run , just ask them to continue until they do 50. But if you are in China, it's not that simple. They might ask you to do 100 counterhits in a row in 5 minutes out do 50 push ups. And they really mean it. I don't know how the using is like in England so maybe is strict maybe is not.

You should really push yourself to the limits by doing a lot of tiring and exhausting physical training like push up, sit up ,running frog jumps and more. Then your stamina still improve a whole lot. So when you play long rallies , you can last longer

Do you have a real coach? I don't have a real coach but I can learn it easily with pingskills. I found pingskills because I really want to improve. But if you wait for someone to teach you, you won't be that focus. Just like in school when your teacher teaches you a boring subject, you won't be focusing. But if you go read through the books, you won't find it boring and will pay attention.

45 months? How long is that? About 3 to 4 years. So you maybe started around 2011 or 2012 . I started at 2013 2 years but I'm playing quite well and same with you, I never beaten a trained player but girls trained player I can beat them. But I still managed to get 2nd rubber up and represent my district. If course I lost in semi final to a state player 11-5-11-7,11-6. of course, I reached the semi final by playing ask the weak players, and beat them all straight sets. I also played with the 3rd best player in my district 12-10- 11- 6 11-7. I lost of course. But I felt like I played against really confidence and counter ask hit attacks . But against weak players, I intend to just place the ball on the table regardless of the height, because I know they don't know how to attack so no risk putting it high.

You shouldn't think like that Dk, one day you will be like them. Maybe you won't reach top 10 in the World, but maybe one you can represent your country, and that's enough for me. I don't have to reach top 10 in the World, even if I am 300 in the World, I'm already really happy

 


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I am not from England too.
I just recounted to the pounds because it made sure that you will understand how much money is it.

I am already trying.
Yes,I have a coach,but he just orders one combination and let us play it the whole training.
And he is,like all coaches in my region,against defensive.
In almost all teams in my region,only allowed strokes are flick,drive,loop and smash.
Thus the only way how can i learn my defensive is with a stupid robot that makes almost so many errors as me,or trying to learn it directly in matches.
But I do not have strong will enough to do the described-by-you system on my own.

Of course we get punished like "do 50 loops in a row,else 30 squats" (We are not limited by time but by consistency)
BUT:we are also punished for EVERY DEFENSIVE STROKE
For example,I often have to do 10 squats per chop,5 per push etc.


The chinese are workhohlics....they are already born with such vitality....

Without anyone who could help me with not finding excuses,it is hard to push myself to the limit,as I always manage to a find an excuse like "I have just ate,I am going to play at a match,I am too tired today etc."

I get easily tired for whole day after doing 20 squats and 10 push-ups,my stamina is at the level of a 5-years-old child,although I am more than three times older.


In my region,average player reaches my level after 18-21 months,no more.
I have never won even a single set.
My best result is 5:11 lose to that nylon-footed girl.
Note that You said you probably defeated some girls.
Then you are much better than me.
And there is another prove:you reached the tie (10:10 state).
I have never experienced it.
I am the player playing at the Fifth District League,which is the worst of all leagues in my country.
(the levels are:
Extra-league
First Country League
Second Country League
Third Country League
Division of men League
First Region League
Second Region League
First District League
Second District League
Third District League
Fourth District League
Fifth District League
)

Still for all the years I have been training,I was always the Last one.

I can never get too high,without being able to train as much and as well as I would want to.
I would be glad to be in the Third District's Elite Eight (the eight best players of the said League),even it will be a success for me.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Where are you from? If I know where you are from we cab communicate better. Because we have different time zones.

Seems like your coach is pretty anti defensive play. I guess you have two choices. One is to tell your coach that you want to play defensive, the other thing is to get another coach that respects your decision. Or perhaps maybe your coach doesn't know about your poor eyesight. You could try to tell him that. Or maybe your coach doesn't even know how to chop. You could get a coach that plays defensive, or you could get a coach that know how to play both defensive and offensive.

The other thing other than getting a coach Is that you need a partner to practice with. Having a coach Is not enough. Your coach only teaches you the stroke but you need to practise it with a partner. As I know, the robot can't shoot balls suitable for chops. You really need a partner that is really good in looping of backspin.

You can't be lazy DK you have to be hard-working if you want to be good in table tennis. You have to force yourself to train hard otherwise go to a fitness centre and the trainer will give you more strict training and forces you to train hard.

Maybe I can help you a bit with winning. You need tactics. But first you have to tell me . Why are you losing, how are you losing, what serves are the hardest for you to return. And how do you feel when losing a point and the match. This can all lead to winning and losing. To be honest , your style is really harder to win. You can see even the world's best chopper, the legendary joo sae hyuk can only reach top 20 in the World. It takes a lot of positive thinking and patience to be a good chopper. That's why most people choose to be attacking players rather than defensive. But I guess you don't have a choice with your poor eyesight. 

Winning isn't everything DK. Yesterday I heard a coach said to his players. He said : " I don't care about the results, no matter win or lose, I'm still happy. As long as you learned something in the match and you were focused and not goofing around when playing the match." He's right, in a match, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, because you will meet  opponents every competition. If you meet someone strong and lost, just think as it's gaining you experience playing with him.You can see even the top players lose sometimes. Because they might be injured or unluckily met someone stronger and lost early in the tournament. And they win maybe because stronger opponents didn't participate

There's is may types of losing. One is your opponent Is too strong and the other type is losing focus our not feeling well that day or haven't been training for a long time. And there's many types of win too. Maybe your opponent let you win or your opponent Is very weak. Or you are just too strong.

Like me, I don't have to be a champion to be happy. Just have to get to the semi finals and get 3rd I'm already really happy. So don't think about winning all the time. Add long as you focus and play every match seriously that's the important part. No matter win or lose. Your folks all be proud of you


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I am from the another end of the world,from central Europe.

It is not only my coach,it is practically every coach and every player in my region.
My trainer,for example,is able to chop,but when he is forced to do it,he always deliberately loses the point,if the opponent has returned his chop.
Or,if my tranier's chop is successful,trainer makes a serve error.
I know more players that do it.
Some even deliberately lose points to "delete" points won by these strokes.
It looks like they are ashamed or angry because they won this way.
I am their exact opposite:often losing temper after winning by attack.

That means that finding a coach that accepts training a defender in my closer area is nearly impossible.
My coach knows both about my eyes and about my plan to be a classical defender.

Finding a partner is exactly the same:
I can find only three types of players:
1)absolute amateurs,who have problem to hold a bat
2)players who deliberately do not attack me,just push and lob against me
3)players who play deliberately so hard that I cannot train anything against them

Only the first ones usually want to play with me
The others play with my only when I am their last option or opponent

I thought about the fitness centre,but there is one small thing:I have not enough money.
In my country,there is usually paid....I think about four pounds per hour

Thank you for your offer,but I am afraid you will not tell me much new,but lets try it.

Why am I losing...
Usually because I am often forced to counter a smash or powerful off-low-ball loop at a point-blank range.
Or my opponent starts pushing against me and I always make an error with my pimples no matter of the stroke I am using.
Or my opponent starts lobbing,usually forcing me to play a high ball with my backhand.
Another thing-my opponent often offers me balls that I can easily loop,and then they block out of my range.

About serves....I have problems only with sidespin combinated serves,because I see the bat movement as a foggy whirl,thus I cannot tell if it is a side-top or a side-back spin serve.
Generally I have problems with serves where I do not know how strong the incoming spin is.

How I feel....depends
If I lose by attacking my opponent,I usually feel a bit satisfied that my attack is weaker than my defense.
If I lose by missing opponent's smash or generally by defense,I feel angry that my biggest weapon is useless.

That is the point:patience
I need to find the way how to increase it as I am very impatient.

Yes,our coach and many others say something similar,but they add something like "if you attacked" behind the first sentence.
But they often say that I am, unable to use my experience
Proved:players who trained for 6 months are more experienced than I am.

Many types....I usually think that my opponent is too strong
Or he has the space advantage,I think I could win many more matches if I could have enough space to be sure that my opponent does not have enough power to make the ball touch the wall sooner than floor.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

I guess your coach ready hate defenders. I don't blame them because he thinks a defender is weak and unqualified for a competition. But when he realised that he doesn't know how to play against a chopper, that's why he I deliberately lose the point everyone you chop, he is ashamed that he will fail returning your chops into the net and doesn't want to admit he underestimated you .

If your coach don't care about defenders, what is their strategy to beat you. Is it their continuous attacks? Is it that your not putting in enough backspin on your strokes. Because usually against chops, players intends to use a spinny loop to get the ball over, but if he is able to attack you with a fast loop, then I guess you didn't put enough backspin. Does the players in your region cares about what strokes you are doing? you does they just attack a high ball regardless of the spin? If so put a lot of backspin on your chops. You can do that but brushing fine underneath the ball. And you can do that by moving your bat through the ball really fast.

As for receive serves, hers my tip. Don't think about the sidespin. What effects the most is the topspin and backspin . If it's a topspin the attack it really hard to hit through the spin. for backspin, use a push. And drag the hajj the opposite way the spin in coming. I asked this question. Go type returning sidespin/backspin serve st the adj the coach centre and find the question for more information

You have to control your mental problem. Stay calm even when you are trailing  10- 0 it's a hard thing to do though. Try to look at some of the japanese girls, they big their head when they lose a point. I guess they are telling themselves: it's okay, you are in the lead, just stay calm.And try to frustrate your opponent as well. If you can return even their fastest attacks, there's nothing to stop you. And they will get v really frustrated and worried, he will not play well anymore.

That's good, just don't care about the results, what's important toy have fun

Does your coach hates you they most in your region? Maybe you should try being an attacker to please your coach. Since no coach in your region teaches defensive play, then you should try playing offensive n don't mind your eyes. Just try more a few days and see how it works. Because, If you are able to do many counterhits in a row. There shouldn't be much trouble. Plus being an attacker, you can attack your opponent with a flick or topspin. And win the point without have then returning rather than chopping the ball and asking for trouble. Try it. If you ask me I really don't like playing against choppers because I have absolutely no idea how to play against them, and my topspin against backspin is very poor. 

 


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Yes,he and much many others.

But in the other think you misunderstood me.
He knows well how to play against a chopper.
I was talking about situation when he himself is forced to use a chop.
He is ashamed? angry? because he had to generate a backspin.
But he can manage it.

Yes,one thing is that I cannot generate backspin well,but it is not the only problem.
For example,my coach,a shortpips blocker,never attacks me first.
He always pushes to my middleline to force me to attack his backhand half,then blocks violently against my longpips at a pointblank range,enabling himself to hit a winner next ball.
When I attack his forehand,he attacks flatly,too,but he uses my power
Or,if I play a bit higher and withdraw to prepare a chop defense,he dropshots.
Well...some players ignore my spin and try to force through by power.
But they rarely attack until they are absolutely sure that I cannot return low.
I have almost never encountered a player who would use a slow spinny loop against me.

As for serves,I am fully capable of dealing with both side/back and side/top serve,they key is that I cannot tell which is which very often
I can see they are sidespin.
I do not have a problem with it,unless I get a pure sidespin short.
But I cannot see if there is added topspin or backspin.

Yes,I am losing 10:0 quite often.
But my anger is dependent on HOW.
If it is by attack,I am angry
If it is by defense,I am calm

I hate attacking.
Of course I want my coach to be satisfied with me....but this applies mainly for my results.
I am able to do only 8 counterhits in a row,if you do not count slow,higher counterhits,which I can keep on the table for several minutes with equally experienced player.

I do not know if my topspin against backspin is good,because I had never a chance to use it in the match.
Of course I am training it,but in a match I can never use it.
There are many players who cannot do a single push in my region.
They are taught to flick every short ball.
Thus I do not know how well would I perform against a chopper.

As for playing a chopper:
Longpips chopper:
1)try to use counterhits against his longpips,if he returns,you will get a dead ball back,be careful,it can behave like light backspin if you try to do next counterhit.
2)or try only gentle loops against it,and switch from loop to push
If you push or serve backspin against longpips,you will get a topspin (if he hits or loops) or a dead/light topspin (if he pushes/chops)
Shortpips chopper:
It is a bit more difficult,try to avoid hitting flat counterhits against him,shortpips are very good against it,try to do  a heavy loop and the the shortest possible dropshot.
Inverted chopper:youcan apply the same as against Shortpips chopper

You can also just push or counterhit against them until they eventually allow you to kill.


Johan B

Johan B Posted 6 years ago

DK,

Getting  easy balls to put away is one of the two things a good defender strives for: forcing an error outright, or forcing a high ball that you can smash or loop (for which you probably shouldn't use your backhand)

I am their exact opposite:often losing temper after winning by attack


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I know I should not attack with backhand,Johan.
But it is not completely unavoidable.
I am often caught in  a situation when I am far on my wide forehand and get a high ball to my backhand corner.

And I know I should learn it...I just hate it,I like forcing an error with any backspin shot (including chopsmash)


Johan B

Johan B Posted 6 years ago

Smash with three other hand then ;)


Johan B

Johan B Posted 6 years ago

The*


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Why would he be ashamed to generate a backspin. Do you know backspin is like the hardest spin to return in table tennis. To me, I cab return sidespin better than backspin, I don't know why will he be ashamed.

You should practise to get more backspin on your chops. Then it will be impossible for your opponent to hit through the spin. No matter how hard they hit, the ball will only end up in the net. Is your coach penhold or handshake. If he's penhold, he should be able to use his the short pips rubber on both forehand and backhand because he doesn't have to change sides. If he uses handshake he should have use only the pips on one side. Unless he twiddle very fast or he has both pimples rubber on both sides. Yup, blockers don't win with aggressive attacks they win with great strategy. Like old players like Liu guo liang and he zhi wen win by blocking the ball left and right to move the player around to find a sweet spot to attack to. They use strategy such as left right and to attack and force their opponents back. And they usually play close to the table.

Blockers and choppers are both defensive players. But blocker is a bit balance both on offense and defense. Blockers are all around players. When blockers defend, what is hard for the attacker is that the faster your attacks are, the faster the ball comes back. The disadvantage of blockers that the block has but that much spin, easier for the attacker to attack plus their closer to the table and has less time to react. As for a chopper, their advantage is that the chop makes it harder for the opponent to make an aggressive attack. The disadvantage is that the ball is shower and it gives more time for your opponent to get Into a good position. And also need more time because a chop is a buffer stroke and requires more time to do the stroke.

Why do you hate attacking? Attacking is really important in table tennis even for a chopper. Choppers should Assisi also have good third ball attacks. You sound improve your third ball attacks. That can allow you to get more points. If you lose 10-0 in games, third ball attacks are.The thing you need. But for a chopper,it should only be used once in a while . You use it all the time, it week soon be in effective. It's effective because your opponent aunt be expecting you to attack add you are a defender

You have to do at least 50 counterhits in a row to be o.k. 8 is not enough. And I don't Know why defenders don't practise chopping during warm up in a match, they do counterhits and loops and they are also not going use them often in a match. 

Your countries defense must be very weak because they don't do defensive strokes. A flick is really risky against backspin. A push Is one of the most basic and Easiest stroke in table tennis.

About the reverse spin of pimple rubbers, I know that already. But here's a tip. You can use two different rubbers to make your serves more effective. When serving, you can show your opponent your normal rubber as you toss the ball up and the ball is falling down, reuse and serve with the pimple rubbers to fool your opponents. And usually use backhand serves because you usually stand in the ready position when using backhand but when using the forehand serve you stand at the corner. Because defenders need to be ready for each shot.

Anymore questions please don't hesitate to ask

 


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I am not saying he is.
I am saying that he appears so.
How else would you explain deliberate making errors after making backspin?

My coach is a shakehander,but he is not a full blocker.
He just blocks violently on his backhand Tibhar Shortpips,on his forehand,he can do both spinny and flat attacks.
He just never attack first against me.

More time...the point is,the more time my opponent must wait,the more time I have to prepare.

I hate attacking because it is something like losing a credit,my pride of being a defender.
If I attack at 0:10 state,I am almost sure I will lose.

I know I am weak counterhitter.
But rarely someone wants to train,if he is not a counterhitter in a match.
It is usual there to warm up by looping or come sort of counter-smashing.

Push-most basic?
Maybe.
But easiest?
I have been training pushing for three years.
I have never won a single pushing war.
But I have scored some points with flick.
It is not easier tha push,but the push is more difficult to do many times in a row.
How many times do you need to flick twice in a row in one rally?

I do not know about the whole country's defense,there is a powerful defender that clashed with the master of my country and lost 2:3
But said defender lives 600km from me.

Yes,I know about changing rubbers.
It did not prove itself effective
Many opponents,for example, do not alter their pushing angle when pushing against my longpips.
Or,they push my longpips "backspin" serve in the same way as my inverted rubber backspin serve.
Without popping the ball up,without changing angle.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Hey Dk

Counterhits are not only fit counter hitter. It's for all table Tennis players and all types of styles. No matter what style you decided to play, will still start with a counterhit. If not it's very difficult to play. But since you are a chopper, you should still practise counterhits. But you will have to practise more pushing and chopping. 

Push is definitely the easiest stroke in table tennis. You are losing those pushing wars not because you don't know how to do the stroke. Is that you are not using enough tactics. You can try pushing long and sometimes short, you can sometimes play to their forehand and sometimes to their backhand. For attackers, we usually try to end it as soon as possible. By pushing long or flicking it. As for choppers you should be asking your self. Are you more comfortable playing against fast attacks or pushing. If you are more comfortable playing with fast attack, push long to make your opponent make your opponent attack you. If not, just keep pushing with the tactics I mentioned just now.

Again here are the must critical factors of being a chopper

1) being patient

2) using tactics to win

3)staying calm

4) surprise your opponent by attacking

If you're a chopper, a rally won't be so short unlike attackers vs attacker rallies usually around 5 shots and takes around 10 per rally. A chopper vs attacker rallies can do to 20 shots and above and maybe the rally can reach 2 mins long. So stay patient

As for strategies, I have said this a several times and I guess you  remembered them. So use them during play

of course staying calm is for all players but defenders must be extremely calm because for defenders, you usually lose more points as you are not attacking your opponents. And staying calm also allows you to be more patience. Once you are nervous, you intend to rush things and cause more errors.

I know you hate attacking and possibly don't even attack even once in a match but I think it's the key to unlock the secrets to winning. So you should try to attack. In a rally, count 15 shots then do adv attacking stroke. Or use it as a third ball to react really surprise your opponent. Of course if you use it often your opponent will soon know. So don't do it to often. If you see a high a spinless ball, don't chop it, kill it! But don't rush, stay calm, I have a lot of experience with this. I always rush to kill when I see a golden opportunity and end up hitting out or into the net.

Perhaps you can get to know the defender. When you guys meet, ask him to teach you. Yes his living far away but you can see maybe in a training camp or when he comes to your town for training or competition.

By,the way how many questions have you asked pingskills? I have asked 10 so far. And I was hoping it's but to much and are you a premium member?


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Eugene
I know that counterhit is essential,but do you use it in a match if you are not counterhitter?
I personally used two counterhits in a whole season.

Easiest..maybe for you.
But it is a control-related stroke and my control is poor.
I usually overshoot the table,or my opponennt makes me to run around the table like an idiot by pushing and throwing.

For me,easiest stroke is a throw (low,topspin,defensive)
I have problems with placing the ball.

I am not comfortable with playing against fast attacks nor against pushing
I like to play against slow,heavy topspin attack.

I know the critical factors
I just cannot manage them

OK..I will try,thanks
But how can I run fast to the ball without rush?
It contradicts.
I usually have miliseconds to bomb.


Maybe
I have met with said defender,but did not talk
He visits my region only once per a season.
And he is very highly ranked so our trainings are very unlikely
I cannot attend any training camp,they are too expensive.
He trains in where he lives and has all competitions here


And I have asked about 80 questions to PingSkills


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I am not a preimum,but I would like to

And for your question:
choppers does not practise chopping in warm up to prevent their opponents to get used on it,in my opinion


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

I don't use a counterhit during a match but during warm ups. It's really useful for me because I can get more feeling on my strokes and get used to it. So I can do my forehand and backhand topspin better. But I don't know how could it help your chops. 

I usually use a topspin in a match but without doing the counterhit, it's hard to get use to doing the topspin

A push is very easy. Yup it's hard to control but that's not what we are looking for. We are looking to just slide out arm very softly underneath the ball in order not to over shoot the table. For long push also Keep our hand soft but come true faster. When I mean faster,,I don't mean hitting through the ball using a lot of power. Just relax and slide through faster.

If you are more comfortable returning slow heavy topspin, then you should always put a lot of backspin. That way, you will force  opponent to use the slow spinny loop. If your opponent sill insist on using an aggressive attack, then their shot will end up in the net. Not saying that it's impossible but there's 80% chance they will hit the net by going aggressive. Brush through very fast and fine to put a lot of backspin. If necessary, go back to watch the forehand and backhand chop video. I know you have watched it but every time I watch a pingskills video again, I learned something new. Perhaps you are missing out the mechanics it doing some of the technique wrongly. That's why you can't chop well

Don't run, use a shuffle steps to get to the ball. Well I think running you can get in faster. Just remember the triangle footwork I guess you will be fine. If you need more information about this footwork. Go watch defender's footwork on YouTube. Or ask me 

You don't have to train like him just ask him some tactics he do ,serve he uses, how he deal with fast balls, and etc anything you need to know about being a good chopper, you could ask him.

How much for the training camps? To be honest, I never go on a training camp before. I think I haven't even been camping before. You don't have to go anyway, but if you do you may learn something new and meet new friends roti eventually play with you. The thing is, once you represented many times, no matter in what category, purple will start to know you and train you better.

Wow 80 questions, I thought I was asking a lot. When did you join pingskills? And how old are you.

P.s. choppers are really difficult to handle for many players, including me. So your style isn't bad. Keep it up


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

So am I.
But I do topspin from below the table and counterhit above the table.
It cannot help chops much

If I am going to use a powerloop,I usually try to force my opponent to give me a dead push

That is the point:softly.
I have nearly no feelings,meaning both touch on the ball and emotions,except anger.

If I put a lot of backspin,most opponents will just push until they have a chance of flat fast attack.
I cannot chop well because I need several seconds to get into starting position,and because I am naturally very tight,no matter what am I doing,not only table tennis.
Apart from pingskills' videos,I watch the chopping technique of all worldclass players,especiall Matsushita's trainig videos.

I know,I meant it symbolically,but sometimes shuffling is not fast enough.

I could do that.
The problem is that I do not know and have no known way how to find out which day will he arrive,IF he will arrive (it is not 100%)
But I do not reckon that he will tell me something new.
He is skilled enough to enforce a spinning loop.

How much for camps?
Usually about 100 pounds a week
I have never been on one,too.
I cannot go because I do not have enough money.

I joined PingSkills' Supreme Coaching Pages on 5.2.2015
I am 17


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

and -trust me that hitting through backspin by power is possible.

It is just very difficult,can be compared to side/backspin smash from a lob


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

If you are doing that, you are on the right track. You start position is  beside you body. So you hit the ball on to of the table. And topspin your starting below the table. Yes it won't help in chopping. 

Power loops aren't always effective. Sometimes putting more topspin is also effective. But once you see a golden opportunity don't hesitate to kill it. 

Choppers should work on chops, and attackers  work on loops If you think you aren't doing it right Keep practising. Last time you said you practise the push for three years but no improvement, so you should figure out why you are doing it wrong and what can you do to correct it.

I used to play penhold because I think it's stronger, but now I change back to shakehand because it suit me more. Maybe chopping isn't your game .

Why did start playing table tennis anyway

 


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I know,but if I do a slow spinny topspin,I usually get a powerful active block or counterloop back while I am very close to the table and balanceless.
I always lose my balance in order to get enough power.

I can work on my chops only with errorful old stupid robot.
No one would train with me,unless someone who wants to bomb at me from pointblank range or someone who cannot attack at all.

Main thing I am doing wrong is that I have never learned how to relax,I simply cannot relax,not only in table tennis,but my parents are saying that I am tight even when sleeping.

I was always shakehander,but sometimes practise penhold when I am really tired or when playing with a real amateur.
(Penhold backhand is great for lobbing :D )

If chopping is not my game,what else?
I need a style what can give me the largest possible amount of time between the strokes.

I just wanted to do a sport where I am on my own,as I am unable of teamwork


Mike Deubig

Mike Deubig Posted 6 years ago

Hello DK,

I was reading one of your posts about your coach using short pips. Players with short pips generally play flat rallies to win points but have trouble when they encounter heavy spin. Even though your a chopper, you need some offense. I know you watched the pros at the world class level and if you notice, they all have some sort of offensive skill. This doesn't necessarily mean, you should change your game to an attacker rather than a chopper. But you need more options in your game to play various styles.  It takes practice and don't measure yourself with other players because learning curves are different. 

Back in my college days, I average 20 hours a week of playing table tennis, I played various styles but not all. When I started playing, there was a guy there who previously played for 10 years, in three months I was able to beat him on a regular basis. It was his style, it was good but it only took him so far in the game. He limited his options.

When I came back last year, I averaged only 3 hours a week because of my work hours. Otherwise I could play three days a week at least. I am playing with players who have been playing for years, some of them just months, many of which have a lot more playing time in a week than I do. This year it has doubled to about 6 hours but still, that is very little playing time compared to my college years. Plus I have to deal with injuries which I didn't deal with when I was younger. I have had tennis elbow (overuse of the arm), tendonitis in both knees, and right shoulder. I have recovered, not 100 percent. I still get pain in the elbow if I do a lot of serving. My knees have fully recovered recently. I feel more healthy now and take it slower if need be. 

When your playing your coach and he works the middle, why not go wide to his forehand side? Move him. 


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Mike
I know about the shortpips' weaknesses
I am just unable to generate enough spin.
He can hit through everything I can generate.
Not only he,but even regular amateurs with inverted rubbers can.

I know I should not be attackless.
I just want to attack after the longest possible chop vs loop rally

Dont measure?
I do not understand..how can I know who is better then?

I have always trained only three hours a week,because there is no place where I can play more often,there are another clubs in our hall.
You talked about that if I have very strict style I am limited.
Then,how would you explain that there is a team in my region,whose members are highly specialised players?
For example,there is a hitter who can do neither push,chop nor the loop,he only hits everything,he has been playing for five months,he still defeats me?
Or another example,his sparing partner,a "thrower",who has problems with short game or hitting,but is capable of throwing the balls with various enormous rotations from the floor level,but never attacks,still I am incapable of dealing with him?
He plays the Region League,which is the intermediate level in my whole country,but next season,he is going to enter the Third League,the whole-country League,without being able to do an agressive attack,relying just on spin and placement,without close to table loop,without the ability to play short game,without smash (except a side/backspin smash once per month)
I train 50% chopping and pushing,20% lobbing,10% attacking,20% blocking
These two train: the hitter: 90% hitting,10% lobbing,in case if his opponent is faster
the sidespin lobber: 80% lobbing and some sort of chop-lob (he stabs the ball ,appearing like a sword-piercing),20% sidespin and normal but defensive loops,with enormous spin,but slow,taken from floor,without aggression.
Both can defeat me

I am also not at my full health
Physioterapists found out that my leg bones and joints are deformed,this is incurable by surgery,I can only repair it with extensive stretching and exercising to empower the tendons that should hold by joints together.
This can take years and there is only one way.

Your last sentence...I am not sure how do you mean it.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Mike is right dk, you cab follow some of his tactics

If you feel like a show spinny topspin will cause attack. The you can use a power loop. Just hit it fish the line. No matter playing against right handed or left handed. Just hit it down the line because you are hitting it into their weak points. For right handers, you are hitting it into their wide forehand. For left handers, you are hitting it into their backhand

Like I said, practising chopping with a robot won't work. Unless you do a little adjustments. Try to tilt the nozzle facing more upwards. And set it to maximum topspin. You could try setting it to the fastest so you can train to react fast balls. .Don't mind your slow motion eyes. The more fast balls you see, the more you get used to returning them. But I don't know if your "old robot" having such functions. Because I don't have a robot and never touched one before.

Actually how does it feels to have slow eyes? Is it that you are hearing faster than vision. Because I personally think that having slow eyes allows you to see the fast balls easier. As it's coming at a slower speed which gives you a more time to see the ball and probably even see the spin

 


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

If I use a slow spinny loop in the way you described,most opponents will hit it flat.

I know it will not work much,but this is the only way how can i train chopping,except using it directly in the matches.

I cannot use my robot to its fullest as it is very old
If I set more than 60% of power,it starts to shoot in all directions,up,down,absolutely orderless,because at this power the head does not work how it should.

And you misunderstood me...I do not see things in slow motion.
The fact is,I can see only slow movements.
The faster ball,the more transparent it appears to me,until,finally the balls that are probably our Supreme Coaches fullspeed loops are completely invisible to me,because they are simply too fast for my eyes.
And yes,my ears could probably tell me better where the ball is,but I am not good at guessing direction by sound.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Your eyes shouldn't have much problem. Just practising do more practising and you will see it naturally.

And I started table tennis is not because my parents ask me to pick a sport. They don't really care about me doing sports. And the first time I play I also don't like it. But all my friends went playing soon don't want to be left out. So I joined in. When I started. I can't even serve. I keep hitting the ball into the net because I tot table tennis serve is just like tennis. But then I was almost the weakest among my friends. And everyone started to tease me so went online to find forehand smash on howcast. Then I start smashing. Then ever since I've became one of the best. But not for long. Very soon they learn this stroke too then I went back to old position. So I went back to howcast I Lear more strokes. Then I figure out that how cast was not enough. Then I discovered pingskills. And I got better by learning here. At first I learn table tennis more powerful strokes and leave the useless ones. But then suddenly after playing for weeks, I fell in love with table tennis and learned all the strokes that's how I started table tennis


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

You would be surprised.

Example:if my opponent is serving,I see him just as foggy swirling mass due to the speed of his movements.

I started playing without my parents even knowing.
They are still unaware about my hobbies.
I was the opposite example:my ...friends?
They are not really friends,I have no friends,but those who are closest to it,took me to table tennis.
But as they started to smash,I tried the opposite:render their smashes useless by returning them.
I was and remained the weakest among all of them.

But as I started to watch Table Tennis videos,I found PingSkills and my idols' training videos.
Since then,my game improved enormously
But still,it was not enough to win a set.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Try to get use to the misty ball. Just imagine the misty image as the ball. When you see the misty image. React to eat. At first, it will feel weird but keep looking at it and try to  return it. Last time when you started to learn the cup, it feels weird too, but after a  while of practice, you start to get the feeling of the stroke. It's the same with your eyes.

Yup pingskills has helped me a lot. If the free membership can help me that much, I can't imagine how good the premium membership will be. I bet even better but I can get it as I'm a 13 year old kid with no salary and parents definitely don't support me. They say it's waist of money and they don't trust online trading


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Misty is the serving player.

The ball is seen semi-transparent or with an after-image.
The point is not that I am unable to differ the transparent object from the ball.
The point is that I have problems with locating it.

I am in similar situation,except for that I personally do not trust online trading.
But I trust PingSkills
With enough money,I would immediately become a Premium.
Even though you are younger (and making mistakes in English....what has eating to do with table tennis?? (your first line inthe previous comment)) I am sure you would be able to defeat me.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Just practise more and.more and Track it soon you can tell the location

I trust pingskills too but my parents don't and I can't say no. It's not that I have a problem on English. I'm one of the best in my class. But this keyboard is crazy and ashtrays auto correct my words. And I'm using an oppo phone and it has a function which allows you to swipe from word to word without leaving the keyboard. It's convenient but cause a lot errors. And I'm lazy to go back and check to see if there's any errors


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I will do my best.

My parents do not even know that I am playing table tennis :D
Oh...then I am sorry.
I am one of the best in my class too.

Haha..this is exactly one of the reasons why I would never buy a contact-display phone.

Yes and:you talked about useless strokes....no stroke is useless,you must only know well how and when to use each stroke.
This is the real weapon of an allrounder.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Omg why didn't you tell them. And you entered so many competitions and they don't even know

This phone is quite good and cheap

I said it useless as I was just starting and don't know what stroke is useful. I just think that offensive strokes are useful and defensive strokes are useless


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I have no reason to tell them.
There are manythings they do not know about me...

Good,maybe,for something.
I really do not need many functions.
I just need ring,calling,notes and long vitality of battery (two weeks or more)

Even the defensive strokes are useful.
You would be surprised but even the players like Ma Long or J. Saive,Michael Maze,Mizutani,Ma Lin,Waldner,and probably many others had won at least ten points by lobbing and chopping.
As long as the strokes create spin and/or can be kept really low,they can be useful.
Not always,of course.
But sometimes they are,even for the most agressive players.

 


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Wow.... And your parents aren't worried?? Oh right, you are 17 and probably already have a car license and can chi anywhere with your car and you can make your own decisions.

Nope all advanced function not necessarily needed, as long I can play games with it haha....I love to play games

Like I said, I was a beginner who knows nothing about table tennis and just think that attacking stroke are good and defensive are not good. But I know now defensive stores are useful. Especially the block. And now I understand truly of the defensive shots during rallies. I always try to counter when when I can't because I still think defensive strokes are useless and I saw the players on tv countering all the fast balls. But then I realised that. Most them are doing blocks when they are being attacked. That's the reason I asked this question to pingskills


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

No,they are not worried,at least I do not know about something like that.
No,I cannot have a car license,in my country I am still under-age,thus I cannot get it.
And besides it,I am considered unfit in terms of health to drive.
Because of my eyes.

The only one game I like to play is table tennis.
Other games I play on PC,because no phone has big screen enough.
The main thing for me is ring,notes and long vitality of battery.


Yes,the block a lot,because this allows them to defend faster.
But I would not consider the block a defense.
I will rather call it a counterattack.
This is the case of close-table players.
A middle-range attacker can also just wait for the ball to drop a bit and do a loop vs loop.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

What is the minimum age to get a driver's license. Sorry about your eyes. Hope you can heal them faster

Phone games are more fun to me such as clash of clans or other games in recently playing tower of saviors. And it's fun

Blocks are very useful. Now I'm trying to do the backhand punch. I'm working on it, still needs practise. Also deciding either to be a close range player or mid range player. Do you have any suggestions?


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

The age is 18 years,but I need to undergo the operation first.
And also I need some money,the driving license costs  about 300 pounds.

I do not know these games....I play on PC

Yes,they are,just as every stroke that pingskills videoed as a lesson.

Punch?
What Stroke is it?

Er....this depends on where do you feel more comfortable.
If you feel more comfortable as a thirdball bomber and half-volley blocker,then you should become a close-range.
If you feel more comfortable creating heavy loops from middle distance,then you should become a mid-range.
Do not forget that you can always switch between the two styles or even the long-range lobbing defense if you get into trouble.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

That's expensive. Your eyes will have to wait. 

A punch is just an extension of the block. If you watched the counter a slow spinny topspin video. Then you will know what a punch is.

I'm usually good at both, that's why I have a problem deciding. I like fast rallies now. Last time I hate to get into it. Now I feel like it's more comfortable than mid range although I'm okay in loop to loop rallies. Any more suggestions


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

True.
When we are talking about expensive things,you said you have a cheap contact-display phone?
Can I ask how much it was?
I have never seen a cheap phone without buttons.

Oh...so you mean in fact a counterhit or an active block,true?

If you are good at both equally,you can really choose.
In your place,I would practise both.
The reason was said by your yourself-some opponents would like you to play at mid-range,so you can come closer and overcome them,for example


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

My phone is about 100 pounds. I don't if you have ever heard of oppo by oppo is a china brand phone with European technology. That's why is cheap. It's cheap and some of it's functions are not available in more expensive phones like Samsung or iPhone

No...It's not just an extension of the block, in fact. It's a attacking shot. It travels very fast and flat. Most players use the punch to counter a slow spinny topspin or When they have more time to counter.

Although I'm good at both. I still unbalanced. When I play close to the table, I usually block and because no time to react. That's why I'm giving all the chances to my opponent. But when I attack first it's no problem. And on mid range same. When I attack first, it is not a problem but when opponent attack first then I'm in trouble. Another thing is that my opponent always play the ball deep and wide on the white line. Or very short and make reach to the ball and lose all my consistency


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

100 pounds??!!
This is "cheap" for you?
OMG

This is an active block. Is used as a flat stroke to make the game faster.

It sounds like you should practise your in and out movement more.
In bth cases,you have problems with countering an attack.
I would try also to learn a topspin off topspin.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Uh.. 100 pounds it's about RM500, that's already cheap. Usually if you are talking about more expensive phone like Samsung or iPhone. It might be around RM2500-RM3000. Those are about 600 pounds.so it's considered cheap for £100.

Yup a block is flat. Punch is also flat.

When we are back in a loop to loop rally. We don't think of coming Back in, only back out. I know how already. But just can't get use to it.

 


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I really do not know what are you taking about.
I know no phones excpet the ones I or my family is/was using.

Basically it is a counterhit off a loop,is not it?

I am afraid I cannot advise anything more :/
I have told you all I could.
I am not really clever and also not any table tennis master.
I am worse than you,I am sure


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Okay phones are just complicated.

Punch is just a faster and bigger stroke then a block

Oh ok, thank by the way, and if you need more help call me.


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

For an IT students,they should not be :(

 

Yes,but on similar basis.

Ok.
And just out of curiousness-when we were talking about your style,can I ask what is your equipment?


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

IT students have crazy minds

My equipment is a DHS blade. I don't know what blade is that. Forehand rubber is yinhe sun and backhand is yinhe moon. Chinese rubbers. Sun is very spinny and fast when it was first glued on but now it wore off. And moon is really bouncy. Perfect for backhand. And both are regular rubbers.

What about yours? I'm sure backhand is long pimples.


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Excuse me??!!

 

You do not know?
The blade should have its name written on it.
YinHe?
I was using a blade from YinHe in the previous season...
I do not have any info about the rubbers.

Right,I am a longpips user,I use TSP Curl P4 Chop in 0,5 thickness on my backhand,together with Tackiness Drive 2.1 on my forehand,great change from the previous Rakza7Soft.
My blade is Donic DefPlay Senso Classic.
(you will not believe the difference,if you consider what was my first custom bat)


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

It's a DHS blade. I really don't know what blade is that because it was a premade bat and I changed the rubbers

I have no idea what those rubbers. Because I don't really care about equipments. As long as I can play with it.

And do you have a Facebook. Perhaps I could add you


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Oh,that explains everything.
In my opinion premade bats were always.....YUK

This is strange.
I would think that these rubbers are much more known than YinHe.
Noone I know has idea what YinHe is.
But my rubbers are known by everyone.
I am really sensitive towards equipment.
Even changing the rubber thickness affects my game crucially.
Example:my game improved three times after switching from Rakza7Soft MAX to Rakza7Soft 2.1 in my past
(It was my first change of the custom bat,when my trainer bought me a MaLin Extra Offensive blade with two Rakza7Soft MAX and said that this is the slowest bat I should have)

No,I am afraid I do not have a facebook.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Yinhe is a Chinese rubber. And it's a translation of a Chinese word call "銀河"。 it means milky way. So I'm but surprise that your friends doesn't know about this rubber.  Another name for it is milky way.

But for your rubbers I really never heard. I only know brands of equipment but not model. The only model I know is yasaka ma lin carbon. 


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

We usually do not use chinese equipment so we rarely know it.

OK,you are close to china,that could be the reason.

We rely on german and japan equipment


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Out of about 100 people,I know only two who use Chinese Palio equipment.
The most used brands here are Butterfly,Donic,Yasaka,Stiga,Joola,Andro,more rarely Victas,Tibhar,DHS or very rarely Spinlord or Nittaku.
Nobody Iasked never heard about YinHe.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

I'm not near china. I'm from Malaysia and I Think Europe is closer to China than me.

I heard of palio and also seen one and used it before. But still rarely used. My former pricipal supports table tennis very much and like to use Chinese and japanese rubbers like dhs, yinhe, nittaku and palio. 

Chinese brands are always weird. Not only table Tennis rubbers. A lot of the China products are very cheap and good but are always neglected and ignored by everyone.

of course I like European rubbers too. There not bad


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I am sorry,but I am twice as far as you from china.
The furthest point of Malaysia is only about 2400 km (by straight line) from the borders of China
But my town is nearly 5000km from China.

I have once tried Palio Blitz,which is an OFF+ rubber,and also Palio longpips.
I was very angry with both these rubbers.
Along with Tenergy,Sriver,Donic Acuda and offensive Victas rubbers these are probably my last choice...

Cheap?
Maybe,but good?
Not always in my opinion.

I believe mainly in Victas blades,Donic defensive Blades and some rubbers,Yasaka rubbers,Butterfly def equipment,TSP or Butterfly longpips and if I would be an attacker,I would probably stay with Yasaka,Donic or TSP


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Which city are from. I'm from east Malaysia. So is further. You could say that Malaysia is a multi cultural country. We have Indian, Chinese and Malay. That's why we can communicate with a lot countries around the world. And we have a good relationship with China. Maybe that's the reason. And China is also the closest and best table tennis equipment country

Why are you angry with your rubbers. How much are you rubbers. Mine are about £10 per rubber


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I am from the middle of Europe.
Can you tell me how far is your home from Chinese borders?
I did not measure it exactly,but I think I am still further.
I am not Russian.
I did not measure from the Euro-Asia border.

Our relationship with China is quite.....zero

I am not angry with my rubbers,I was angry when I just for fun switched bats with one player in the leisure centre.
She uses Palio Blitz.
I was incapable of playing a single counterhit:that rubber was overloaded with speed,I could not predict my own spin,controlless totally...
The same for Palio longpips: great disrupting effect,but that was all.
It took me enormous effort to keep the ball low,all balls were jumping off that rubber with absolutely nonsense spins (for example,I hit a topspin,soit should create backspin,instead,I generated some sort of side/top spin....)


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

I really don't know how far are we from China. But I think it's considered near.

Your rubbers are good. But if you feel uncomfortable with it. You can change it. For attackers, tenergy64 is the best rubber for backhand


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

There is only Laos,Vietnam and some smaller countries between Malaysia's North border and China's Southern border.
In my case,there are two smaller countries and about two thirds or Russia between my town and China's Western border.

 

I do not feel uncomfortable with my Tackiness and TSP Curl rubbers.
The Palio have never been mine.
I just tested out someone else's bat and I think it was overpowered controlless bat.
And my opinion on Tenergy is quite similar.
I would never use it,even if I would be an attacker.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

When using a new rubber or someone else's rubber, it always feels unnatural because we are not use to it. But after using it a while we get used to it. And after that we dint know how to use ours anymore....hilarious

How many of your question went on ask the coach?. I have two. And have pingskills ever deleted your question? Because one time I asked a question and didn't get a reply and it's no longer there anymore


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

I just tested what she plays with.

I do not even know how to find out that my question is in Ask the coach.

Yes,one of my questions about beating a very skilled pusher twins as deleted.


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

It's easy to know whether your question is in ask the coach. If there's a dark blue symbol next to your question,then it's on ask the coach show. Also under reverberation. You will find a row of words"this question was also answered in ask the coach show"

Why did pingskills delete your question? They also deleted my two questions. Both are about the website. I don't know why and now they haven't answered my question and it's been 2 days usually after I came back from school I can see the answer but now no. Maybe their quite busy


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Then there are five of my questions in Ask the coach show.

 

Alois said he was "not sure what happened there".
I think of an internal error inthe PingSkills' servers.

Your questions: when you click "My questions",are your questions here?


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Wow that's a lot. I only have 2. 

My answered questions are there but the unanswered one is there for a long time

 


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

You also have much less question in general

If it is listed as unanswered,it was not deleted.

Anyway,are you a member of some team in your country?


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 6 years ago

The only questions we delete are the ones that we email the person back and answer them directly which is what I have done with a lot of your questions DK...  And there are a lot off questions!


eugene lu

eugene lu Posted 6 years ago

Hi alois, you forgot to answer one my question about elbow position when serving. Could you check it out


D K

D K Posted 6 years ago

Yes Alois.....I know about this deleting.
I was talking about the questions called "Pushing problem".
It was deleted without being answered anywhere.

Oh.....I am sorry if I am asking too much :(



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