How to read the ball spin, speed, placement, depth, height

Table Tennis Strokes and Technique

Last updated 7 years ago

Linh Vu

Linh Vu Asked 7 years ago

Dear Pingskills,

I have improved a lot thanks to your advice and YouTube videos after only 4 months of practicing. I am the only player in my 50 member club, who plays offensive style. All other 49 players are defense players of different styles. Specifically, I have improved significantly in the following areas:

1. reading service spin

2. to be able to relax on all of my strokes. I don't feel exhausted anymore.

3. my forehand loop/counter hit is correct. My start position, circular motion, end position are perfect. I also know when to brush the ball heavily (spiny loop) and when to hip loop (power loop) the ball. I use my full body: knees, waist, shoulder, upper arm, and elbow. To avoid injury, I don't snap my elbow as much as before. I don't use my wrist during the forehand loop at all.

4. my backhand stroke is the best in my club. I can flick (not banana) over the table. I can backhand loop on underspin, no spin, and topspin, long ball, short ball, backhand smash with high consistency. 4 months ago, I did not have backhand at all. I avoided using backhand if I could.

But now I use backhand a lot more than forehand.

5. I no longer care if I win the game, set, or even if the point. My primary concern is to improve myself and perform best in a given situation. As a result, my mental state is a lot better, particularly when I play to a better player.

However, I still have many hurdles to overcome:

1. I can read the service spin on the ball. That is not enough. I need amount of spin, speed, placement, depth, and height. Many times I get caught off guard because I don't know what is in the ball beside the spin. Most of the time, I can return the balls even if I don't know about amount spin, speed, placement, depth, and height. I can still win the point. I get away with my sloppy return. Even if it is a sloppy return, the 49 defense players don't attack my sloppy return.

How do I read the ball regarding amount of spin, speed, placement, depth, height?

2. During the rally, many times these defense players play trick on the ball. They pretend to attack, but they don't. They put a lot of spin (lobbing). They fast push into my body without any underspin at all. They play sidespin. I don't read their racket movement at all. I look at the ball trajectory to make assumption. I make many mistakes by reading the ball trajectory because it is already too late.

How do I read their racket movement to know ahead of time the spin, amount of spin, speed, placement, depth, height.

3. Many times, I attack very hard. somehow the defense player manages to return ball back to me. it is so fast that I cannot react to it. I lose many points this way. The ball comes back right back to the same place. I can attack it again without moving my feet. but it is fast my body cannot react to it. All of my strokes are based primarily on body motion not hand motion. Hand motion can really help in this situation. But I don't know how to perform a stroke using hand only without using any kind of body motion.

Is it possible to use hand only for forehand / backhand stroke?

4.  I don't know how to forehand backhand push. I avoid backhand push if I can. my backhand push is too high. my forehand push is low but has little underspin.

I have practiced push. during practice it works well with a lot of underspin. during game, my forehand push has no underspin.

5. I am not a good blocker. I am not prepared to block. As a result, I usually lose a point if a defense player suddenly attacks. In addition, my DHS hurricane rubbers (forehand and backhand) are not designed for block. They are great for attack but not block. The rubbers do not bounce at all. To block effectively, I have to punch/counter loop an attack. if I don't, the ball usually goes to the net as my rubbers do not bounce at all.

How do I practice blocking with my DHS Hurricane rubber?

6. Because my backhand is too strong, my opponents go after my forehand. They serve short to my forehand. they return short to my forehand. They attack on my forehand. I can forehand loop if a ball is long. but I will return a sloppy ball if the ball is short on the forehand.

I don't know backhand banana flick, forehand flick, backhand push, or forehand push.

How can remedy this problem?

  

  


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario Answered 7 years ago

Hi Linh,

Well done on making such big improvements in your game.

To read the amount of spin you still need to get the information from the contact and the flight of the ball. Exposing yourself to more types of serves is the best way to overcome this.  Watch the ball closely is the big key here.

Your strokes need your arm as well for more consistency.  Using your hand can work when you don't have time but there will also be a lot of inconsistency of your movement.  Your strokes are all dependent on the amount of time you have.  The more time, the more arm and body you can use and therefore more consistency.

For your pushing it sounds like it is just more practice and relaxing your wrist and hand during the game to allow yourself to generate the same spin you get in training.

Blocking with any rubber is a matter of training.  Utilise your training time when your training partner is doing a drill to practice your block.  This is valuable time.

For the extra strokes again, it is practice.  Once you didn't know any strokes but you have trained and learnt them. It is the same with these extra strokes now.


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Tushar Verma

Tushar Verma Posted 7 years ago

Is it possible to read the spin on ball with the path on the table (sometimes not always) like the sidespin will turn left or right, underspin will come bit late or topspin will become more fast. However I know this is risky because sharp and high sidespin serve did not turn much but still is it possible?


Jeff Plumb

Jeff Plumb from PingSkills Posted 7 years ago

Hi Tushar,

As you mention, this is risky but you can certainly pick up cues by watching the flight of the ball. The more you play the more experience you will gain in this area.


Sachin Bhoi

Sachin Bhoi Posted 7 years ago

I was having similar problem, I was confused about ball placement length and height. Then I found the ultimate solution to everything. "JUST WATCH THE BALL". Body and mind will automatically adjust  the stoke if we watch the ball.  I am trying this these days. If I watch the I will know when to hit spiny loop or power loop. Everything comes automatically if I watch the ball all the time, till it hit my racket. 


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 7 years ago

Brilliant Sachin.  It is nice when you get to this realisation.


Tushar Verma

Tushar Verma Posted 7 years ago

Thanks Jeff, I have worked on my serves now its time for time for practicing service returns.

One more question-When a long heavy sidespin serves swings and lands on my backhand, I always lose a point, how to pick that serve on backhand (I am not good at backhand topspin).


Linh Vu

Linh Vu Posted 7 years ago

My ping pong club has about 50 members. All of them are defenders. I am the only offender in the club. I am not good at returning serves. If I know exactly what is in the ball, I will attack their serves right way. When I am not sure what is in the ball, I return a passively sloppy ball. Many time they disguise underspin and no spin balls. They also disguise topspin and underspin.

The major problem is I easily get tired. I can beat all these members. But the more I play, I will lose to them. By knees, waist, should, upper arm, elbow, wrist are not tight but not fully relaxed. I have not realized this until I saw a US 2400 player performed stroke. He performed forehand loop, backhand loop like he did not do anything. But the balls were so fast with a lot spin. His strokes were so smooth. He did not get tired after playing with six different opponents. my strokes are no where near the relaxation of his stroke. I can only play and win two consecutive opponents. After that, my body does not want to play anymore. I will play defensively and will lose. my style is about attack at the first opportunity. If I don't attack, I will usually lose. If I attack, I will get tired. that is my dilemma.

attack requires a lot more energy, footwork, skills, strategy than defense. it looks like defense has the upper hand.   


Alois Rosario

Alois Rosario from PingSkills Posted 7 years ago

Hi Tushar,

You can watch the contact and also the flight of the ball.  By following the ball all the way from the bat you will start to react and move quicker to where the ball is.

One critical thing is to make good position.

Then keep working on improving your backhand topspin.  Get someone to feed you multiball backspin to your backhand and work on the stroke.



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